Science and faith: the conflict
Posted: 21 March 2009 09:57 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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“Creationism is not helpful at all,” explained Professor Malcolm Jeeves, a neuropsychologist at the University of St. Andrews and former president of The Royal Society of Edinburgh. He is currently president of Christians in Science, an association of British scientists who believe in Christianity.

“I think Creationism is wrong and so do my colleagues in Christians in Science.

“You have to understand that the bible is not a textbook of geology or of science but is revealing something crucially important about God and his world and uses history, poetry and a variety of literary forms to do this.

It seems that christians are always ready to shift, change, deny and recharacterize in the way of a lying spouse when challenged about their faith.

Where were you.

At work

I called you at at work and you didn’t answer.

Well I was at a customer’s office; that’s work.

The why was your car at the Holiday Inn?

I took the customer for a drink when our meeting was over.  For Christ’s sake, don’t you believe me?  You have to have faith in me!

So they can slough off creation when creation is no longer tenable;  I’ve seen Salathiel deny the existence of hell, because that isn’t very palatable.  As long as they can cling to some sort of afterlife (and who is going to disprove that?), they will alter or deny any other tenet.

The bible “is revealing something crucially important about God and his world,” but never try to pin a christian down on what that might be.

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Posted: 22 March 2009 04:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Jeeves: “You have to understand that the bible is not a textbook of geology or of science but is revealing something crucially important about God and his world and uses history, poetry and a variety of literary forms to do this.

Well Jeeves is partially correct. He’s right that the bibble isn’t a textbook “of geology or of science,” but he left out some crucial elements. He should have said, “but is revealing something crucially important about humankind’s concept of God and civilizations’ use of poetry and fantasy and exaggeration to describe history” instead.

Jeeves.
Sounds like the name of a chauffeur…  cool hmm “Jeeves here, how may I assist you?” cool smile

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Posted: 22 March 2009 08:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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“You have to understand that the bible is not a textbook of geology or of science but is revealing something crucially important about God and his world and uses history, poetry and a variety of literary forms to do this.’

Oh sure, once god is established priori, anybody can fit the bible in as being crucially important to the story.

It’s mythology dumbass!!!!

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Posted: 23 March 2009 05:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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It is depressing that this subject even has to be discussed. It is amazing that so many people actually believe that the Bible is even internally consistent. Forget the fact that it contains myriad statements that are at odds with all known empiric evidence. Jeeves is simply saying that magic is not science. Hold the goddamned presses?

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Posted: 27 March 2009 01:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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Jeeves:
“You have to understand that the bible is not a textbook of geology or of science but is revealing something crucially important about God and his world and uses history, poetry and a variety of literary forms to do this.”

http://www.amazon.com/Your-Inner-Fish-Journey-3-5-Billion-Year/dp/0375424474

I wonder if Jeeves would agree that this is also a book that uses (paleontological) history, humor, and a variety of literary forms to reveal something crucially important for people to understand about themselves and the world?

A sure sign of small-minded individuals is when they attempt to backpedal out of error without acknowledging their mistake - without acknowledging the harm their mistake has caused.

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