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Posted: 06 February 2006 07:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]  
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They need a generation raised on sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

Basically, a stake in this world instead of the next—why wait for the 72 virgins when you can get them now.

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Posted: 06 February 2006 09:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]  
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Possibilities during the next 15 years.  Beyond that is anyone’s guess:

1)  Islam will undergo its form of “reformation” and transform into a more tolerant religion.

2)  There will be a nuclear exchange between an Islamic state and Israel, killing several hundred thousand to a million or more people.

3)  The U.S. will strike Iran, neutralizing the nuclear threat.

4)  The West will dither, cluck, and shake their collective heads, to that tune from The Sound of Music - “How do you solve a problem like Mohammad?”

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1) Extremely unlikely (1 in 10,000,000)
2) Unlikely.  They may be fanatical, but they’re not complete idiots! Anyway, some Muslim in charge has got to figure that Allah can’t provide that many virgins to all the Muslim men that would be killed. (chance: 1 in 1,000)
3) Unlikely, but could be (chance: 1 in 3)
4) Probable

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Posted: 06 February 2006 12:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]  
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MJ, may I “respectfully” suggest you decamp to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, or some other place where you’ll be happy either all covered up from head to toe waiting on your Muslim lord and master, or jumping up and down on the balls of your feet screaming and waving signs all day threatening to kill someone for having “insulted” your religion so you can go to paradise and screw virgins? You are the typical politically-correct, multiculturalist liberal, obsessed with hating Bush and despising America and I have no patience whatever with your type, so don’t expect me to be polite. You make me laugh—whining about “marginalization” and “disrespect” out of one side of your mouth, then condemning anyone who suggests democracy might be a better choice than ignorance and tyranny. If I didn’t know better I might have to think enjoy seeing these “cave men with cell phones” destroy Western civilization out of you own spite.

Jack, now I can’t stop “How Do You Solve a Problem like Mohammad” from playing in my head. How could you!?! (Heh-heh…)

Hampsteadpete, you are right, that is what it means. By declaring their intention to either kill or subjugate the rest of the world by force they have declared themselves to be outlaws and criminals. No, we don’t have to kill all of them, but we do have to stop the ones bent on killing us. It is a pity that those who have been raised Muslim but don’t really believe all that crap and just want to have decent lives and live peacefully with their neighbors can’t find the will to rise up against the rest so they don’t have to join the other innocent victims of what is coming. But they have no right to expect us to give up our own lives and freedoms to protect them. If they are too irrational or cowardly to renouce the nonsense they have been taught to believe, then the responsibility for what happens to them will be theirs, not ours.

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Posted: 06 February 2006 04:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]  
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Is there really a possible future in which aspiring martyrs are going to make good neighbors?

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Posted: 06 February 2006 04:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]  
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Hampsteadpete, based on precendent (i.e., Dresden, Hiroshima, etc.) I’m confident that if push truly comes to shove we’ll obliterate any fuckheads U.S.A. needs to. (No sarcasm or irony intended.)

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Posted: 07 February 2006 12:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]  
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Which is an awful thing to have to say, but I agree with you 100% homunculus—after the past couple of weeks I’m afraid that is where we are headed. Most of the West no longer has the will to defend its most basic principles, such as freedom of speech, until literally pushed against the wall. If we survive the next 9/11-type attack—and with nightmare scenarios like EMP out there that is far from certain—I can only hope that someone in authority will have the sense to “go all Harry Truman on they ass” as Jay Severin likes to put it.

Has anyone else read Blankley’s “The West’s Last Chance”? I don’t agree with some of his “solutions” (outbreed ‘em and convert all the European intelligensia to Christianity—huh?) but much of his first chapter (“The Nightmare Scenario”) is a nearly exact prediction of what we have been seeing the past couple of weeks—except that he predicted the violence would be over nude statuary in European public spaces! What the Islamofascists have pulled off—and I have no doubt that this thing has been thoroughly coreographed by the mullahs—is much more clever. An attack on serious art would have called forth much more defense than an attack on lowly cartoon artists. I can just imagine the Western press trying to defend the idea of putting a fig leaf on the “David” at the point of a gun.

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Posted: 07 February 2006 02:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]  
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[quote author=“Lightofreason”]MJ, may I “respectfully” suggest you decamp to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, or some other place where you’ll be happy either all covered up from head to toe waiting on your Muslim lord and master, or jumping up and down on the balls of your feet screaming and waving signs all day threatening to kill someone for having “insulted” your religion so you can go to paradise and screw virgins? You are the typical politically-correct, multiculturalist liberal, obsessed with hating Bush and despising America and I have no patience whatever with your type, so don’t expect me to be polite. You make me laugh—whining about “marginalization” and “disrespect” out of one side of your mouth, then condemning anyone who suggests democracy might be a better choice than ignorance and tyranny. If I didn’t know better I might have to think enjoy seeing these “cave men with cell phones” destroy Western civilization out of you own spite.

Why do you have to insult MJ? I might agree with homunculus and you that wiping out Muslim fundamentalists might be our only option but I know my reason - survival instinct.

Like you I have no patience with certain people, those who equate attack on Bush with attack on America; and I tend to agree with MJ who suggests that we should try to see the world in more than two colors, black and white.

If it wasn’t for the dollars from people like our George Bush the Arabs would be still riding camels and wouldn’t bother anybody. If you ask me the Islamist terrorists are one more problem created by the corporate greed and left for us all to worry about.

In addition your great George Bush still believes that his pal “Vladimir” is one of the greatest American friends and Islam is a “religion of peace”. As a soldier in the little army of Bush’s followers you showed a great amount of insubordination lumping Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan tohether - didn’t you know that Iran belongs to the axis of evil while Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are our allies?

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Posted: 07 February 2006 03:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]  
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My idea is that the virgins of the western world are not doing anywhere near enough to convince the raghead terrorists not to blow themselves to kingdom come in order to be rewarded in heaven.

If westerm virgins were more accomodating, these crazies might just figure out that a sure thing here on earth beats the hell out of taking a chance on the suicide bomber gig.

.........just a thought.

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Posted: 07 February 2006 07:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]  
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Criticism of Bush or capitalism or political corruption is just fine.  Morally equating these things with Islamic extremism isn’t.

Bush > Bin Laden
Civil societies > *Arabianistan

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That said, Bush and many of those who currently oversee US foreign policy believe that Jesus is to “return” to the Earth soon, and that we’ll all be drowning in one anothers’ gore in the process.  I can’t help but believe that’s what informs our foreign policy at least a little bit.

[quote author=“Thomas Orr”][quote author=“Lightofreason”]MJ, may I “respectfully” suggest you decamp to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, or some other place where you’ll be happy either all covered up from head to toe waiting on your Muslim lord and master, or jumping up and down on the balls of your feet screaming and waving signs all day threatening to kill someone for having “insulted” your religion so you can go to paradise and screw virgins? You are the typical politically-correct, multiculturalist liberal, obsessed with hating Bush and despising America and I have no patience whatever with your type, so don’t expect me to be polite. You make me laugh—whining about “marginalization” and “disrespect” out of one side of your mouth, then condemning anyone who suggests democracy might be a better choice than ignorance and tyranny. If I didn’t know better I might have to think enjoy seeing these “cave men with cell phones” destroy Western civilization out of you own spite.

Why do you have to insult MJ? I might agree with homunculus and you that wiping out Muslim fundamentalists might be our only option but I know my reason - survival instinct.

Like you I have no patience with certain people, those who equate attack on Bush with attack on America; and I tend to agree with MJ who suggests that we should try to see the world in more than two colors, black and white.

If it wasn’t for the dollars from people like our George Bush the Arabs would be still riding camels and wouldn’t bother anybody. If you ask me the Islamist terrorists are one more problem created by the corporate greed and left for us all to worry about.

In addition your great George Bush still believes that his pal “Vladimir” is one of the greatest American friends and Islam is a “religion of peace”. As a soldier in the little army of Bush’s followers you showed a great amount of insubordination lumping Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan tohether - didn’t you know that Iran belongs to the axis of evil while Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are our allies?

T.O.

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Posted: 08 February 2006 12:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]  
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[quote author=“mudfoot”]Criticism of Bush or capitalism or political corruption is just fine. Morally equating these things with Islamic extremism isn’t.

Mudfoot, you and I would like to see the political leaders of the US and Europe coming together and saying “we have to stop islamofascist”, and then acting accordingly, don’t we?

What MJ is saying, and what Bush is doing are equaly distant from this to happen. So why insult MJ and shelter Bush? Now, the particular problem of attacking Iran gives me chills for an entirely different reason. I never had any problem with the idea of attacking Iraq. I just had doubts if the US army under the current leadership can do it in a competent way without screwing the whole thing up and making things worst. Unfortunately, my fears materialized. If you asked me I would take out the Iranian nuclear facilities with Israeli’s hands. If for this or another reason it is not politically acceptable don’t blame MJ for this.

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Posted: 08 February 2006 12:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]  
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Why do you have to insult MJ? I might agree with homunculus and you that wiping out Muslim fundamentalists might be our only option but I know my reason - survival instinct.

You still don’t get it, do you?  rolleyes  In the midst of a barbaric attack on free speech by religion-maddened savages who are in the process of acquiring the means to kill us, you get on my case about not being polite to MJ. Sad.

As for Bush, are you young enough to think this is the first time we have had to face up to a threat of this magnitude with a nitwit occupying the Presidency? I’m old enough to remember both Carter and Nixon, just to name two. Neither the incompetence of the former nor the corruption of the latter made the Iranian regime or the Soviet Union any more admirable. (At least not to me.)

If in three years the Islamofascists have developed the capability to attack us with nuclear weapons, smallpox, EMP or some other horror to satisfy their apocalyptic lust for destruction of the enemies of Islam (amongst which I am proud to consider myself), Dubya will be long gone and you will find yourself with precious little time to spend bean-counting this or any other Administration’s shortcomings. You will be too busy exercising that survival instinct, as will we all.

Let’s keep our eye on the BALL here, folks. If the Islamofascists slink back into their spider holes we can all go back to fighting with each other. But in case you haven’t noticed over the past few days, The Martians Have Landed and getting them the hell off our planet is rapidly becoming our chief concern.

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Posted: 08 February 2006 02:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]  
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The emerging party line is that we in the West have to respect the sensitivities of the Islamic world (and presumably all other cartoon religions) while responsibly exercising our freedoms of the press and of speech.  This is essentially appeasment. 
What we in the West have to adamantly insist upon is that there is no right not to be offended or not to be insulted in a free society.  It is in fact just the opposite.  When the Islamic world wants to come out of its medievel mentality and join the free world it has to understand that in the West, in our marketplace, all ideas, without exception, are subject to unrestrained scrutiny and examination, ridicule, praise, parody, criticism, etc.  This freedom has two extraordinary benefits.  First, an idea survives to the extent it has utility or value.  Second, freedom liberates the creative energy of people, individually and collectively, resulting in progress on all fronts.  Western civilization is a direct result of our having freed ourselves, at great cost, from the crippling hands of religous and political tyranny.  The Islamic world will not emerge from its non productive, servile, immature irrationality until it ceases to be Islamic.  We cannot, must not back down from these fanatics.  This is the time to take a stand and shame on every newspaper in the West that did not immediatly reprint those cartoons.

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Posted: 08 February 2006 02:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]  
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yeah it’s pathetic, the US response, truly. The fact is that since our troops our there, anything else but playing the bitch and pandering to their inanity will turn our already tenuous position in Iraq and Afghanistan into a meat grinder.

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Posted: 08 February 2006 03:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]  
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[quote author=“LightofReason”]Why do you have to insult MJ? I might agree with homunculus and you that wiping out Muslim fundamentalists might be our only option but I know my reason - survival instinct.

You still don’t get it, do you?  rolleyes  In the midst of a barbaric attack on free speech by religion-maddened savages who are in the process of acquiring the means to kill us, you get on my case about not being polite to MJ. Sad.

As for Bush, are you young enough to think this is the first time we have had to face up to a threat of this magnitude with a nitwit occupying the Presidency? I’m old enough to remember both Carter and Nixon, just to name two. Neither the incompetence of the former nor the corruption of the latter made the Iranian regime or the Soviet Union any more admirable. (At least not to me.)

If in three years the Islamofascists have developed the capability to attack us with nuclear weapons, smallpox, EMP or some other horror to satisfy their apocalyptic lust for destruction of the enemies of Islam (amongst which I am proud to consider myself), Dubya will be long gone and you will find yourself with precious little time to spend bean-counting this or any other Administration’s shortcomings. You will be too busy exercising that survival instinct, as will we all.

Let’s keep our eye on the BALL here, folks. If the Islamofascists slink back into their spider holes we can all go back to fighting with each other. But in case you haven’t noticed over the past few days, The Martians Have Landed and getting them the hell off our planet is rapidly becoming our chief concern.

If I was Bush:

1. I would turn the famous mosque where Al-Sadr army was hiding into dust and let all the Islamic warriors know that I will do it again, and again when necessary. In this simple way I would quickly solved the local problem and gain “respect” of my enemies in the long term.
2. I would avoid invaded Iraq. Keeping the loop tighter with “no fly” zones was working very well. Trying to assasinate Saddam (and let Saddam know about it) in response to any stupidity he might commit would be my favorite free time hobby.
3. I would be making tough demands regarding sheltering terrorists to countries like Yemen, and followed those demands with decisive actions. Since Somalia is no country as to speak of I would have to occupy it, unfortunately.
4. I would protect my own turf at home by reinforcing secular laws of the country. In particular, every Church preacher would need to have a license to preach, and the license would be immediately revoked for any stupid or irresponsible sermon deemed “politically inflamatory”. I would not be afraid to let the courts oversee the entire process, the main goal being to strike at the “fifth column”. I would take the opportunity to challenge some of the Islamic laws in American courts and show the Islam world that their Allah is not going to win with American people.

Well, you need to give me more time for more elaborate agenda but I hope you caught my drift. MJ has nothing to do with how we address the present crisis. Our government does. In addition MJ spoke intelligently, which cannot be said about our government. So have some sense of proportion.

T.O.

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Posted: 08 February 2006 03:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]  
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[quote author=“Thomas Orr”]
4. I would protect my own turf at home by reinforcing secular laws of the country. In particular, every Church preacher would need to have a license to preach, and the license would be immediately revoked for any stupid or irresponsible sermon deemed “politically inflamatory”. I would not be afraid to let the courts oversee the entire process, the main goal being to strike at the “fifth column”. I would take the opportunity to challenge some of the Islamic laws in American courts and show the Islam world that their Allah is not going to win with American people.

You would turn the US into an atheistic, socialist dictatorship?

Would we call you “Uncle Tom”?

Stalin or Mao would be better at pacifying Islam overseas than the Neocons, but freedom of conscience works for us at home just fine.

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