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Speaking of Gay Rights: Should insurance(health care) cover sex changes?
Posted: 11 June 2009 08:02 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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Just saw this story…

Chastity Bono gets a sex change


Well, is sex change a choice? Or are these people truly stuck in the body of the opposite sex and this should be taken care of for the benefit of their psychological health?

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Posted: 12 June 2009 03:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Bad_Conduct - 12 June 2009 12:02 AM

Just saw this story…

Chastity Bono gets a sex change


Well, is sex change a choice? Or are these people truly stuck in the body of the opposite sex and this should be taken care of for the benefit of their psychological health?

If not isn’t their psychological health already gone…......

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Posted: 12 June 2009 11:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Sex change is a choice.  Gender assignation is likely not. 

I don’t have a problem with it being covered by insurance.

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Posted: 13 June 2009 12:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Oh, I see. If a male is born with female genitalia, than it’s their fault.

They need to act like a female and accept that they are one, right?

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Posted: 13 June 2009 04:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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Well, is sex change a choice? Or are these people truly stuck in the body of the opposite sex and this should be taken care of for the benefit of their psychological health?

I’ve always felt a little bit like a grizzly bear…love fish, the outdoors, I’m pretty big…but only a little hairy.  Maybe insurance will pay for me to get some major hair implant work done and a nice pair of claws…

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Posted: 14 June 2009 09:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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Clay, that was the stupidest analogy I have ever read, and I have read a lot of really stupid ones.

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Posted: 15 June 2009 12:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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Speaking of Gay Rights: Should insurance(health care) cover sex changes?

Well, is sex change a choice? Or are these people truly stuck in the body of the opposite sex and this should be taken care of for the benefit of their psychological health?

Oh, I see. If a male is born with female genitalia, than it’s their fault.

They need to act like a female and accept that they are one, right?

Oh, I see. Wait…..no, I don’t. I’m having trouble figuring out where exactly you’re going with this topic. Be a pal and help me out, would ya?

Are you in favor of, or opposed to, insurance coverage for sex changes? Or do you have a problem with gay rights? What’s your beef, exactly?

BTW, to answer your title question…..I don’t see why not.

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Posted: 16 June 2009 12:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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I’m just pointing fun at this post:

If not isn’t their psychological health already gone…......

It’s assuming people who get sex changes already have psychological problems.

I’m not making any points actually, I’m just asking a question.

If a son or daughter is born with incorrect genitalia, should it be covered by insurance or health care?
Or, alternitivaly, should they just have to live as one gender in the body of another?

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Posted: 16 June 2009 09:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Bad_Conduct - 16 June 2009 04:10 AM

I’m just pointing fun at this post:

If not isn’t their psychological health already gone…......

It’s assuming people who get sex changes already have psychological problems.

You’re right. Whether GAD seriously meant what he said, or whether he was being facetious, is irrelevant to the fact that what he said definitely deserves to be made fun of.

I’m not making any points actually, I’m just asking a question.

So you just want to get the opinions of others on this? Are you still undecided on whether health insurance should cover sex changes? Or do you have an opinion on this? Or do you care one way or the other?

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Posted: 16 June 2009 11:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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Josh - 16 June 2009 01:19 PM

You’re right. Whether GAD seriously meant what he said, or whether he was being facetious, is irrelevant to the fact that what he said definitely deserves to be made fun of.

If you don’t understand something someone said you should give them the benefit of asking them what they meant before making fun of it. So, in that respect, fuck off!

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Posted: 16 June 2009 01:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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GAD - 16 June 2009 03:07 PM

If you don’t understand something someone said you should give them the benefit of asking them what they meant before making fun of it. So, in that respect, fuck off!

Are you saying that I don’t understand what you said? Are you saying that your post was NOT “assuming people who get sex changes already have psychological problems”, like BC and I thought? Did I hurt your feelings, GAD? Is being made fun of a big sore spot for you? Did I just push your biggest button?

Since you have formally extended me the invitation to “fuck off”, is it too late to ask you what you MEANT by your post? Will you be giving me the cold shoulder now? If so, can I at least offer you a tissue, or perhaps a Maxi pad with wings?

Did I just word every sentence in this post in interrogative form?

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Posted: 16 June 2009 01:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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Clay, that was the stupidest analogy I have ever read, and I have read a lot of really stupid ones.

It did get my point across in a fun way though…

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Posted: 16 June 2009 06:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Josh - 16 June 2009 05:08 PM
GAD - 16 June 2009 03:07 PM

If you don’t understand something someone said you should give them the benefit of asking them what they meant before making fun of it. So, in that respect, fuck off!

Are you saying that I don’t understand what you said? Are you saying that your post was NOT “assuming people who get sex changes already have psychological problems”, like BC and I thought? Did I hurt your feelings, GAD? Is being made fun of a big sore spot for you? Did I just push your biggest button?

Since you have formally extended me the invitation to “fuck off”, is it too late to ask you what you MEANT by your post? Will you be giving me the cold shoulder now? If so, can I at least offer you a tissue, or perhaps a Maxi pad with wings?

Did I just word every sentence in this post in interrogative form?

What I meant was if these people are not truly stuck in the body of the opposite sex, but want to change sex they have major issues.

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Posted: 17 June 2009 10:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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GAD - 16 June 2009 10:22 PM

...if these people are not truly stuck in the body of the opposite sex, but want to change sex they have major issues.

Why?

Whether or not health insurance should cover a sex change if it’s just a preference, and not for psychological health, is debatable…..but what inspires you to boldly claim that these people have “major issues”?

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Posted: 17 June 2009 11:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]  
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Bad_Conduct - 13 June 2009 04:02 AM

Oh, I see. If a male is born with female genitalia, than it’s their fault.

They need to act like a female and accept that they are one, right?

No, it’s not about “fault”.  If you are a male who is born with female genitalia, then changing it is your choice—for instance, you could choose to do nothing about it.

But if you are born with a female persona and you are in a male body, you have no say in the matter.  Just like you have no say in the matter as to your eye or hair color (though you could choose to change your hair color with hair dye—a low cost “solution” that doesn’t need health insurance).

If a transgendered person is born transgendered, they have no choice in that.  If they want to choose to change it, then insurance could cover it given the psychological health issues attached to doing so.  If such surgery were as expensive as, say, changing one’s hair color, I’d say it didn’t warrant inclusion under insurance.  But since it is expensive, and a person’s mental health is involved, then I see no problem covering it.

It’s very simple.

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Posted: 17 June 2009 11:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]  
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Josh - 17 June 2009 02:36 PM
GAD - 16 June 2009 10:22 PM

...if these people are not truly stuck in the body of the opposite sex, but want to change sex they have major issues.

Why?

Whether or not health insurance should cover a sex change if it’s just a preference, and not for psychological health, is debatable…..but what inspires you to boldly claim that these people have “major issues”?

Most of the responses here don’t seem to incorporate the fact that transgendered people don’t just blithely get to have their sex-change operations without deep and sweeping psychological investigation.

A person who wants to cavalierly change their sex just to do it won’t be able to get insurance to cover it, because they are cavalier about it.  That’s not to say they may not have a different psychological problem, but “gender confusion” isn’t that problem.

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