Sam Harris

Nice brief history of the universe there, Cody. You forgot to mention something that most people have a lot of trouble comprehending: Time is a dimension of this universe, and started at the big bang with everything else. This means wondering what was “before the universe started” is not logically possible, which precludes having some all-powerful being already existing at the moment of the Big Bang without creating all kinds of impossible paradoxes.

Very true MH!

My personal favorite is that an omniscient being “choosing” to create something like the universe requires a decision being made temporally, which then requires the time needed to do so, even for a god prospect. Since time gets created with the universe, this causes a conundrum in chicken-and-egg terms for the god of the gaps.

This is a major problem indeed for your run of the mill “God is all that” monotheist.

Loving the discussion everyone. I skipped some pages. Did Champ ever man up and answer the 40 questions?

Dadvocate

It looks like The Champion finally relented his masturbational, and seemingly, provocational rantings…

I checked back in and reread my original post that started this 950 message monstrosity. I have to say that I was a bit harsh and not at all Christ like. But I must say that I still believe that evolution is an obvious “untruth.” Design is everywhere in the natural world and chaos is explained by the fall of man during the interim before the return of Christ.

That being said, regardless, God loves evolutionists as much as he loves Creationists.

TheChampion - 20 April 2011 10:44 PM

I checked back in and reread my original post that started this 950 message monstrosity. I have to say that I was a bit harsh and not at all Christ like. But I must say that I still believe that evolution is an obvious “untruth.” Design is everywhere in the natural world and chaos is explained by the fall of man during the interim before the return of Christ.

Yes, your intellectual integrity is genuinely compromised and you’re very proud of it. We know.

You’re able to suppress your sense of incredulity enough to pull of real religious faith, not just the artificial rhetorical faith for which believers who aren’t so good at self-deception have to settle.

You’re truly blessed ... or touched, or something.

Congratulations.

TheChampion - 20 April 2011 10:44 PM

I checked back in and reread my original post that started this 950 message monstrosity. I have to say that I was a bit harsh and not at all Christ like. But I must say that I still believe that evolution is an obvious “untruth.” Design is everywhere in the natural world and chaos is explained by the fall of man during the interim before the return of Christ.

That being said, regardless, God loves evolutionists as much as he loves Creationists.

I didn’t realize that you had returned.  Evolution has not taken a beating.  It is the predominant scientific theory, and is generally accepted by everyone except religious fundamentalists.  Christians like us are well-advised to accept it.  It does not change one iota of the gospel.  Even if we evolved, that does not change the basic gospel which is stated succinctly in I Corinthians 15.  Battling evolution is like the “birther” argument: it’s irrelevant, besides being wrong, and just becomes a distraction.

Ecurb Noselrub - 28 April 2011 12:41 AM

TheChampion - 20 April 2011 10:44 PM

I checked back in and reread my original post that started this 950 message monstrosity. I have to say that I was a bit harsh and not at all Christ like. But I must say that I still believe that evolution is an obvious “untruth.” Design is everywhere in the natural world and chaos is explained by the fall of man during the interim before the return of Christ.

That being said, regardless, God loves evolutionists as much as he loves Creationists.

I didn’t realize that you had returned.  Evolution has not taken a beating.  It is the predominant scientific theory, and is generally accepted by everyone except religious fundamentalists.  Christians like us are well-advised to accept it.  It does not change one iota of the gospel.  Even if we evolved, that does not change the basic gospel which is stated succinctly in I Corinthians 15.  Battling evolution is like the “birther” argument: it’s irrelevant, besides being wrong, and just becomes a distraction.

Thought he’d vanished as well.  Something about being abducted in West Texas….

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