Religion can only arise long after a stable society is in existence.
Are you serious?
It seems to me its easy enough to have any sort of crazy belief no matter how big or stable your society is. With less understanding about the world, a smaller group of people to be around, less resources so that you can’t allocate less time to the necessities of life and more time to pursuit of knowledge, then it would seem those people would fall more into the trap of religion.
IF your point is, we don’t need religion to create a stable society, in what you said, a stable society is going to exist before religion, then I would agree. Like Sam Harris talks about in “Letter to a Christian Nation” religion isn’t making society any more stable, it has the opposite affect!
ON the point that atheists need an agenda, a goal, a way to send out a message, a vocabulary, a movement I agree completely. I also agree the word atheist, simply stated, sucks. I don’t want my views to be defined by the opposite of another view. I actually don’t believe any of my views have anything to do with theism. Its necessary now to disprove religion and point out all the atrocities, and point out that you can have moral codes and civilation without the belief in fairy tells, but as a movement I would like to see it go the path of not having to point out its opposition to religion.
I want it to get to the point there isn’t needless arguments and time wasted on the existence of an almighty being.
We exist, we don’t know why, and we don’t know what will happen when we are done existing. That doesn’t matter to how we need to live. Maybe a main simple point is since all we know is that we do exist, we may as well try to exist as long as possible and as efficiently as possible.
I guess after writing this (and not including some of my thoughts), I kindof think there is no need for any type of movement after the disproof of religion. There are plenty of developed nations that aren’t burdened with too much religion. There are tools in place, laws, economics, politics, just whatever else that make society function well and they have nothing to do with religion.
Do people need to know why to be good to eachother if we take away their religion? No. Because the educated, or just the thoughtful know that there are universal reasons for subscribing to a moral code and setting up institutions that protect that. (perhaps?) I can’t give any reason or proof to that end, and I have no idea why I would agree with any sort of law. Why do I think its morally wrong to kill my neighbor and steal his wife? Why do I care if there is order in this world? Why would I want an advanced society?
Anyway, Im going on tangents and a bunch of nonsense. I guess my question is what is the next step after disproving religion.