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Posted: 04 January 2007 05:56 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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Today in the US House of Representatives the new Speaker of The House and newly elected representatives were sworn in.  The oath of office concluded with, ". . . so help me God."  So much for a secular oath.

Anyone still want to complain about a Muslim taking the oath on the Koran?

Were I to take an oath of office I would chose either The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn or The Way of Chuang Tzu by Thomas Merton.

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Posted: 04 January 2007 06:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Were I to take an oath of office I would chose either The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn or The Way of Chuang Tzu by Thomas Merton.

You won’t take a oath of office, for obvious reasons.

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Posted: 04 January 2007 10:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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United States Constitution

Article VI, section 3,

“...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

To bad BC has never read the constitution.

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Posted: 05 January 2007 01:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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The freethinker Charles Bradlaugh (1833–1891) was repeatedly elected to the British Parliament, but was not allowed to take his seat after his request to affirm rather than take the religious oath was turned down (he offered to take the oath, but this too was denied him). After Bradlaugh was re-elected for the fourth time, Parliament did relent. In several countries, such as Germany, Spain, and the United Kingdom, these laws remain. Likewise, some American states, such as Massachusetts, retain such laws; however, these laws are rarely enforced, if at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_atheists

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Posted: 05 January 2007 01:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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When I signed up with the GA National Guard about ten years after having done a tour in the regular Army I’d forgotten the “so help me God” part of the oath (it occurred to me that it was common, but I figured it wouldn’t be in there because it would obviously be unconstitutional). I thought I was done, and then the captain swearing me in tossed it out. I froze for a moment and said “Er ... I can’t do that, sir.” He paused, “Okay, I’ll do it then. You’re good to go.” We saluted, we shook hands and enthusiastically said, “Welcome to HHC, 1st Battalion of the 121st Infantry Brigade! Glad to have you!” Turned out he was a very impressive, no nonsense, squared away officer—former green beret and such.

While I was at that unit a couple of senior NCOs and the chaplain made it pretty clear to me they weren’t very happy with the fact that I was still breathing while not believing what they believed. The chaplain’s assistant (CPL Lowe) was really cool and he and I ended up working in the CO’s/1SG’s office. We talked a good deal about things religious, and he often ran things I’d tossed out to him past the chaplain. He sometimes came back to the office after lunch or a church service with some utterly pathetic new apologetic that I’d pretty irrefutably shoot down in about 20 seconds on average. The chaplain’s signature was the heavy use of the worst, most religiostupidified, popular, bumper sticker kinds of cheerleading, so that’s not bragging at all. Lowe did much better through simple sincerity than the “educated” chaplain ever could.

At any rate, it was pretty clear the chaplain didn’t approve of the fact that I had a pulse, and a couple of high ranking NCOs were also fundy type ministers in real life, and they made the same sentiment pretty clear. It made me kind of happy, actually, because the CO and 1SG were both very squared away and these knuckleheads weren’t, so as a specialist (kind of like a junior sergeant) I had more pull with them, which I’m sure was another reason they didn’t particularly like having me around.

Anyway, it was an interesting year (the GA Guard has a “try the Guard for a year” deal for qualified prior service types). Just about everyone I dealt with other than Gawd’s Goon Squad were great people. And because of that no bullshit squared away ex-green beret captain who swore me in there was no issue with the religious test in the oath.

I’d likely still be in that unit now, actually serving the line as a genuine medic rather than a desk jockey if Bush weren’t the Idealogue in Chief. I’ll have to consider going back in ‘08.

Byron

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Posted: 05 January 2007 02:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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I’ve been called to jury duty a couple of times since I moved to Arizona and if I have to appear in court, I will have my Cato copy of the U.S.  Constitution and will swear on that rather than the bible.  I’ve never had to put this to the test all these years.  I figure somebody took a peek at my website and decided I must be a maniac for not believing in God.  I’m prepared anyway.

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Posted: 05 January 2007 06:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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Just want to offer a ‘thanks’ for these types of personal stories. Very encouraging. Since we’re unable to have discussions with traditional believers here on the forum, at least we can hear about encounters outside, as well as how resistance leaks through in unexpected ways.

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Posted: 05 January 2007 07:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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United States Constitution

Article VI, section 3,

“...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

To bad BC has never read the constitution.

I’m not American. I ment he’s too stupid and uneducated to be a politician.

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Posted: 05 January 2007 10:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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[quote author=“Bad_Conduct”]I’m not American. I ment he’s too stupid and uneducated to be a politician.

This shows what little you know about America and proper spelling.

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Posted: 05 January 2007 10:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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Dang!  I broke my rule not to feed the trolls.

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