Sam Harris

Dear forum

The reality is Creation alone is the essence of everything that exists in this universe and beyond.
Yet it is the Creational spiritual techings which were fabricated by various religious scholars and scribes and turned it into unrecognizable dogma that has culminated in the form we see today.

check out http://www.figu.org http:,//www.theyfly.com/spiritual/spiritual.htm

The reality is Creation alone is the essence of everything that exists in this universe and beyond.

There is NO proof of creation.  It is much more likely that the energy and mass of the universe always existed in one form or another.  Remember, until the universe began expanding, there was no such thing as time.  As they say, time is relative.  Also, if the universe were created, who created the creator?

[quote author=“newinitiation”]Dear forum

The reality is Creation alone is the essence of everything that exists in this universe and beyond.
Yet it is the Creational spiritual techings which were fabricated by various religious scholars and scribes and turned it into unrecognizable dogma that has culminated in the form we see today.

check out http://www.figu.org http:,//www.theyfly.com/spiritual/spiritual.htm

So ..you’d like to steer the dialogue away from the common old ordinary bible god towards a more ...say we say creative version of the same trip.
Enter the SPACE SHip

good one! Have you spotted one lately?

The Big Bang theory itself has already been proved - we understand the “how?” just not the “why?”...

However, modern cosmological research by Stephen Hawking, astronomers, cosmologists and physicists indicate that blackholes actually branch off and CREATE other universes.

Our universe was created from the birth of a blackhole - every blackhole in our universe is a self-contained universe and none of them interfere with eachother. (For analogy, think of “The Tower” from Buddhism)

This does not violate any of the laws of physics, nor is entropy disturbed - blackholes give off radiation and eventually (over VERY long time scales) evaporate.

Therefore, no “god” was needed to give “birth” to our universe - we see creation happen everytime a sufficiently sized star goes supernova and when others implode to create a blackhole/universe.

http://www.ralentz.com/old/astro/hawking-2.html

To add a god in “after the fact” is a fabrication of man - the universe exists on its own. Why is there something instead of nothing? - Is like trying to think of “the void” / nothingness…

The creation of our Universe by the Big Bang would indicate that God was a moron who blew up his Father’s munitions factory.