Sam Harris

The Design Revolution by Dembski….

Anyone else read this or anything like it?  He takes pains to both seperate ID from the Bible while saying its not totally incompatible with any religion, including Budda.

In fact, he says strict Theists and Creationists have issues with his theory, which I can see they would, since it gives no support at all to anything Biblical, and accepts the process of evolution as a fact.

If you haven't really read this theory you should IMO.

Pretty obvious to me most fundamentalists don't really know what they are fighting for to be taught in schools.

But I am gullible, so if anyone else has done any reading on this please I would like to hear your comments.

Yep, ID is old-earth, accepts micro, but not macro evolution, and does not speculate on exactly what form the “designer” took.  Space aliens perhaps? 

As you said, most fundies do not understand ID, if they did, they would not respond to it like they do.  All they know is that it is not a “natural” solution for the origin of life.  You must remember, fundies are NOT detail people.  If they were, they could never defend the bible with all of it’s contradictions.

Next, try “Darwin’s black box” by Behe.  I always buy them used, so I dont contribute to any ministry.

Good sources of critical analysis of this BS are available at the following two web sites.

http://www.talkreason.org/
http://www.talkdesign.org/

The more I read however, the more I think ID will help kill fundamentalism and Biblical literalists, so hmm would this be such a bad thing?

It takes God out of the bible, out of the supernatural, and pretends to look for him with scientific rigor.  It seems in some ways at least more rational than saying its in the book so it must be true.

Since it doesn’t actively STOP anyone from persuing science, and encourages it, when you couple this movement with John Shelby Sprongs “Why Christianity Must Change or Die” I am getting a picture of a new “evolution” in God think of which ID is part of a changing concept of God, at least for the West.

Anyway still reading, thanks for the links and references = )

Would really love an actual textbook still can’t get my hands on one.

If the people fighting for ID really believed it, then you might be on to something, but alas, they do not.  The people fighting to get ID into schools are simply trying to get a “foot in the door” for exploring various alternatives to evolution.

It takes God out of the bible, out of the supernatural, and pretends to look for him with scientific rigor.  It seems in some ways at least more rational than saying its in the book so it must be true.

ID was designed to seem that way.

Since it doesn’t actively STOP anyone from persuing science, and encourages it, when you couple this movement with John Shelby Sprongs “Why Christianity Must Change or Die” I am getting a picture of a new “evolution” in God think of which ID is part of a changing concept of God, at least for the West.

Unfortunately, it does actively stop people from engaging in certain scientific endeavors.  If someone believes ID, they would feel no need to search for speciation, and no need to explore the implications of common ancestry, because they would not believe in common ancestry.

In the meantime, literalists will just point to it as evidence that science is slowly coming around to believe what they have known all along.

ID is bad science, and bad education.

-Matt

The only ID “textbook”  that exists is “Of Panda’s and People.”  Copies are tough to find, but at one point, two different school boards actually purchased them. 

www.ncseweb.org has a good review and critque of Pandas.

I think you can buy a copy of this book at the Landover Baptist web site.

The trick is to buy their stupid books WITHOUT contributing to any ministry!

For me it is all too easy. . .  My family owns all of them.  In fact, ever since I “came out” as no longer believing, they have bought every such book that they can, hoping to find the “argument” to set me back on the path of righteousness.

Groan.

-Matt

LandoverBaptist.org is a humor site the mocks christian fundementalism.  They have a mock bookstore with titles like “Talking Snake Theory”  and “Donkeys Can Talk, People Can Fly, And A Man Named Jesus Lives Up In The Sky!”

Thank you, MrM, I apologize.  I had never heard of the site before.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/talkingsnake.html

here’s something I read a little while ago…
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/12/135735/352

male nipples? or should I say.. forskin (see pretty penis)

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