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Posted: 17 March 2007 01:20 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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Take a look at a few of these after you vote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3biFKW_vWY&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LzLRU35CY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkqfC9NX_DY&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yw7zwG3Q48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LzLRU35CY

 

But there is still Hope!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPsTobaPmWw&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2MP3Z2j2Sw

Still not convinced, lets take one more look


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7TKipBdiSQ&NR

 


Anyone care to get on the boat?

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Posted: 17 March 2007 02:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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I got off that boat a while ago. I’d prefer to pursue my own interests rather than those solely poised against the people in power, whomever they may be. I’d rather like to become one of those people who has that kind of control. If I could be an illuminatus, that would be totally awesome. Have you ever read the Illuminatus Trilogy? It’s the ultimate conspiracy book. No drugs required to make it and interesting trip.

Either way, if I’m really looking to combat the Illuminati as they are now, I’d much rather be at their level when I do. If I have a certain way I want the world to be run, and they have a different way, I’d much rather be on par with their ability to influence. To someone with no influence, it would look like I was a part of them because I hold the same influence as the people whom I oppose.

God, I love this stuff. I’m going to college to become an illuminatus. They are geniuses in my book. You’d have to be to get into that kind of fraternity—which I call a fraternity but which I really see as an unaffiliated boys club. If you’ve got billions of bucks or millions of followers, you’re basically in.

It really is a whole lot of fun to think about. But I don’t let it guide me. I’ve got my one illuminating goal: to be as smart as possible. I either will or won’t become a member of that boys club, but at least I’ll be illuminating myself and others along the way.

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Posted: 17 March 2007 02:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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[quote author=“snapshot1”]I got off that boat a while ago. I’d prefer to pursue my own interests rather than those solely poised against the people in power, whomever they may be. I’d rather like to become one of those people who has that kind of control. If I could be an illuminatus, that would be totally awesome. Have you ever read the Illuminatus Trilogy? It’s the ultimate conspiracy book. No drugs required to make it and interesting trip.

Either way, if I’m really looking to combat the Illuminati as they are now, I’d much rather be at their level when I do. If I have a certain way I want the world to be run, and they have a different way, I’d much rather be on par with their ability to influence. To someone with no influence, it would look like I was a part of them because I hold the same influence as the people whom I oppose.

God, I love this stuff. I’m going to college to become an illuminatus. They are geniuses in my book. You’d have to be to get into that kind of fraternity—which I call a fraternity but which I really see as an unaffiliated boys club. If you’ve got billions of bucks or millions of followers, you’re basically in.

It really is a whole lot of fun to think about. But I don’t let it guide me. I’ve got my one illuminating goal: to be as smart as possible. I either will or won’t become a member of that boys club, but at least I’ll be illuminating myself and others along the way.


Is your reply serious?  Did you not watch the video?  They aren’t letting you in are you kidding me Illuminatis are ALL descendants of 13 bloodlines, even Bush and Kerry are related (third cousins) check for yourself. Your a sheeple, one of the 60% they are seeking to depopulate. This isn’t a game or a hollywood horror story that is over in two hours. You are just a social security number, an EXPENDABLE. 
Oh boy what to do with this blind generation.

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Posted: 17 March 2007 03:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Maybe you need another look…

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8149452911584742127&q=illuminati+new+world+order

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Posted: 19 March 2007 06:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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Excellent illustration of your laughable argument skills. Yes, why don’t you try as hard as you can to scare the crap out of people so that they will be intimidated into joining your cult.

Unfortunately for you, you have gravely miscalculated your audience. The people here that you are trying to save in the name of your imaginary friend are not the weak minded cowards who join cults.

This is the first (that I’m aware of) and last time I will respond to anything you post because, believe it or not, I do not come here to read hysterical rants by delusional sheep. Unfortunately you seem to keep popping up on otherwise interesting threads. So, speaking strictly for myself, I beg you to knock it off. Seriously. I get assaulted with your brand of drivel enough in every day life.

But, hey…kudos on exercising your right to free speech that you wouldn’t have if your cult had its way.

Thanks a bunch and have a great day :D

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Posted: 19 March 2007 07:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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[quote author=“neuronic”]Excellent illustration of your laughable argument skills. Yes, why don’t you try as hard as you can to scare the crap out of people so that they will be intimidated into joining your cult.

Unfortunately for you, you have gravely miscalculated your audience. The people here that you are trying to save in the name of your imaginary friend are not the weak minded cowards who join cults.

This is the first (that I’m aware of) and last time I will respond to anything you post because, believe it or not, I do not come here to read hysterical rants by delusional sheep. Unfortunately you seem to keep popping up on otherwise interesting threads. So, speaking strictly for myself, I beg you to knock it off. Seriously. I get assaulted with your brand of drivel enough in every day life.

But, hey…kudos on exercising your right to free speech that you wouldn’t have if your cult had its way.

Thanks a bunch and have a great day :D


Really a Christians right to free speech in this country well not for long whether here or anywhere in the world here are a couple of videos of CHRISTIANS getting ARRESTED FOR PRAYING AND PEACEFULLY protesting the war, being hunted and killed in other countries, There are a couple in America, it has begun Americans being arrested for reading the Bible or Praying in the street.  You can have a rally of Muslims, homosexuals, pro-choice speaking hate against Christians but you get a pastor or preacher speaking of the grace of GOD AND THEY get arrested. Free speech, not for long when it come to the BIBLE BELIEVING Christians.  Hearing the Word of God can really chap someones rear I will pray for you all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eKOB1ZPGnk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yiu26Mo_UBo&NR;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K75b2R0yMM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nehYU84gMwU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBdURJhXaoI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCE8nhKksTo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhFW6uhHm5M&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIL31qmxvE&NR;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMRWLq7j9DY&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuvElTRSYlM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJM3BoBNrdk&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VWLkwUniI0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvJZYWI2s4Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTi_Imyacx0&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP4CvfnbQaw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfIUKmd20tc&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anBZAL11-VA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cqzZn_dNgo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAcyc53vp3s&mode=related&search;=

 

Heres a wonderful song about love (sic) it’s called kill the Christians (sic)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoJAB7DDu5E&mode=related&search;=


more videos and news articles of Christians being targeted all over the world

http://www.persecution.org/suffering/index.php

http://www.washingtontimes.com/culture/20051214-114423-9869r.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v82cgOxg9s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjP8Knjcdbc&mode=related&search;=

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Posted: 20 March 2007 03:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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[quote author=“aaeoni”][quote author=“neuronic”]Excellent illustration of your laughable argument skills. Yes, why don’t you try as hard as you can to scare the crap out of people so that they will be intimidated into joining your cult.

Unfortunately for you, you have gravely miscalculated your audience. The people here that you are trying to save in the name of your imaginary friend are not the weak minded cowards who join cults.

This is the first (that I’m aware of) and last time I will respond to anything you post because, believe it or not, I do not come here to read hysterical rants by delusional sheep. Unfortunately you seem to keep popping up on otherwise interesting threads. So, speaking strictly for myself, I beg you to knock it off. Seriously. I get assaulted with your brand of drivel enough in every day life.

But, hey…kudos on exercising your right to free speech that you wouldn’t have if your cult had its way.

Thanks a bunch and have a great day :D


Really a Christians right to free speech in this country well not for long whether here or anywhere in the world here are a couple of videos of CHRISTIANS getting ARRESTED FOR PRAYING AND PEACEFULLY protesting the war, being hunted and killed in other countries, There are a couple in America, it has begun Americans being arrested for reading the Bible or Praying in the street.  You can have a rally of Muslims, homosexuals, pro-choice speaking hate against Christians but you get a pastor or preacher speaking of the grace of GOD AND THEY get arrested. Free speech, not for long when it come to the BIBLE BELIEVING Christians.  Hearing the Word of God can really chap someones rear I will pray for you all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eKOB1ZPGnk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yiu26Mo_UBo&NR;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K75b2R0yMM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nehYU84gMwU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBdURJhXaoI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCE8nhKksTo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhFW6uhHm5M&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIL31qmxvE&NR;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMRWLq7j9DY&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuvElTRSYlM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJM3BoBNrdk&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VWLkwUniI0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvJZYWI2s4Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTi_Imyacx0&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP4CvfnbQaw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfIUKmd20tc&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anBZAL11-VA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cqzZn_dNgo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAcyc53vp3s&mode=related&search;=

 

Heres a wonderful song about love (sic) it’s called kill the Christians (sic)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoJAB7DDu5E&mode=related&search;=


more videos and news articles of Christians being targeted all over the world

http://www.persecution.org/suffering/index.php

http://www.washingtontimes.com/culture/20051214-114423-9869r.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v82cgOxg9s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjP8Knjcdbc&mode=related&search;=

Aaeoni:  I have a challenge for you:  Find me one court opinion that holds anything remotely like your position.  Please.  I really don’t want to have to dismiss you as a uneducated fool.  I would hope that you recognize the inconsistency of bearing false witnesses.

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Posted: 20 March 2007 04:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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[quote author=“MDBeach”][quote author=“aaeoni”][quote author=“neuronic”]Excellent illustration of your laughable argument skills. Yes, why don’t you try as hard as you can to scare the crap out of people so that they will be intimidated into joining your cult.

Unfortunately for you, you have gravely miscalculated your audience. The people here that you are trying to save in the name of your imaginary friend are not the weak minded cowards who join cults.

This is the first (that I’m aware of) and last time I will respond to anything you post because, believe it or not, I do not come here to read hysterical rants by delusional sheep. Unfortunately you seem to keep popping up on otherwise interesting threads. So, speaking strictly for myself, I beg you to knock it off. Seriously. I get assaulted with your brand of drivel enough in every day life.

But, hey…kudos on exercising your right to free speech that you wouldn’t have if your cult had its way.

Thanks a bunch and have a great day :D


Really a Christians right to free speech in this country well not for long whether here or anywhere in the world here are a couple of videos of CHRISTIANS getting ARRESTED FOR PRAYING AND PEACEFULLY protesting the war, being hunted and killed in other countries, There are a couple in America, it has begun Americans being arrested for reading the Bible or Praying in the street.  You can have a rally of Muslims, homosexuals, pro-choice speaking hate against Christians but you get a pastor or preacher speaking of the grace of GOD AND THEY get arrested. Free speech, not for long when it come to the BIBLE BELIEVING Christians.  Hearing the Word of God can really chap someones rear I will pray for you all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eKOB1ZPGnk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yiu26Mo_UBo&NR;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K75b2R0yMM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nehYU84gMwU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBdURJhXaoI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCE8nhKksTo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhFW6uhHm5M&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIL31qmxvE&NR;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMRWLq7j9DY&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuvElTRSYlM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJM3BoBNrdk&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VWLkwUniI0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvJZYWI2s4Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTi_Imyacx0&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP4CvfnbQaw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfIUKmd20tc&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anBZAL11-VA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cqzZn_dNgo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAcyc53vp3s&mode=related&search;=

 

Heres a wonderful song about love (sic) it’s called kill the Christians (sic)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoJAB7DDu5E&mode=related&search;=


more videos and news articles of Christians being targeted all over the world

http://www.persecution.org/suffering/index.php

http://www.washingtontimes.com/culture/20051214-114423-9869r.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v82cgOxg9s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjP8Knjcdbc&mode=related&search;=

Aaeoni:  I have a challenge for you:  Find me one court opinion that holds anything remotely like your position.  Please.  I really don’t want to have to dismiss you as a uneducated fool.  I would hope that you recognize the inconsistency of bearing false witnesses.

Inconsistency of bearing false witness, are you serious or did you not look at the videos.  There are thousands of Christians being persecuted and killed only because they are Christians.  In the United States, the sorrows of Christians are just beginning. 

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40929

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N0sPuNS_D8&mode=related&search;=

The Christians were the only ones arrested for exercising their right to freedom of speech


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhFW6uhHm5M&mode=related&search;=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2EdclA8DCs

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Posted: 20 March 2007 05:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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I’m not asking for amatuer video with commentary by unvarifiable sources.  I am asking you to present ANY actual documentation that backs up your point besides the videos you have posted. 

I am not trying to fight with you.  If what you say is true, there is truly a problem that needs to be addressed.  I am simply asking you to flesh out your position.  I can make a YOUTUBE movie and say whatever I want.  What I want to see is actual judicial system proceedings that either concur with what you say, or can be explained as a legitimate cover up. 

The USSR was well known for utilizing these types of strategies in order to infiltrate and divide opinion.  Seems like without the ability to take this discussion further, you would be doing the same.  Or if you don’t like being compared to the Soviets, how about Chicken Little?

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Posted: 20 March 2007 12:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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[quote author=“MDBeach”]I’m not asking for amatuer video with commentary by unvarifiable sources.  I am asking you to present ANY actual documentation that backs up your point besides the videos you have posted. 

I am not trying to fight with you.  If what you say is true, there is truly a problem that needs to be addressed.  I am simply asking you to flesh out your position.  I can make a YOUTUBE movie and say whatever I want.  What I want to see is actual judicial system proceedings that either concur with what you say, or can be explained as a legitimate cover up. 

The USSR was well known for utilizing these types of strategies in order to infiltrate and divide opinion.  Seems like without the ability to take this discussion further, you would be doing the same.  Or if you don’t like being compared to the Soviets, how about Chicken Little?

Read the incerpts below you tell me if christians aren’t under attack in America, The following are only from 2004, I got tired of cutting and pasting.  This anti-christianity agenda is increasing,  over 200 Christians were arrested over the weekend because they were on the sidewalk during a anti Iraq war prayer rally in D.C. there are christians imprisoned for praying and reading out loud from the Bible in Public.  I guess civil liberties apply to everyone but christians.  Radical muslims shout and scream death to america during a jihad rally in NYC but a CHristian can’t even pray at lunch with fellow christians without being suspended.

You don’t have to look far to see someone making fun of Christians whether it on t.v. the news, movie etc…  This will escalate, you will see.

“ A federal appeals court recently upheld a court order that stopped 50 years of teaching voluntary Bible classes in the public schools of Rhea County, Tennessee—the home of the ‘Scopes Monkey Trial.’ A three-judge panel of the Sixth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati upheld a February 2002 ruling by U.S. District Judge R. Allan Edgar of Chattanooga. Edgar ruled that the ‘Bible Education Ministry Program’ violated the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause.” (Agape Press. 6/10/04.)

 

A federal court has ruled that it is illegal for students at the Virginia Military Institute to say a nondenominational prayer before meals.


“On Feb. 25, 2004, the United States Supreme Court ruled that states can discriminate against religion when making public funds available to their citizens. In a 7-2 decision, the Court overturned a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals decision that ruled Washington State had violated the U.S. Constitution by excluding theology majors from a state funded scholarship program. Brian Fahling, Senior Trial Attorney for the American Family Association Center for Law & Policy (CLP) said, ‘Today’s decision marks a dramatic and troubling departure from the Court’s recent decisions prohibiting states from using religion as a basis for denying funds otherwise available to their citizens.’ The case, called Locke v. Davey, involved Washington State’s Promise Scholarship Program that assists academically gifted students with postsecondary education expenses. The Washington State Constitution prohibited students from pursuing a devotional theology degree. Joshua Davey was awarded a Promise Scholarship and chose to attend Northwest College, a private, church-affiliated institution that is eligible under the program. When he enrolled, Davey chose a double major in pastoral ministries and business management-administration, only then learning that he could not use his scholarship to pursue that degree. Writing for the majority, Chief Justice Rehnquist described Washington’s religious discrimination as of a ‘far milder kind.’ ‘We believe,’ said the Chief Justice, ‘that the entirety of the Promise Scholarship Program goes a long way toward including religion in its benefits. The program permits students to attend pervasively religious schools, so long as they
are accredited.’ However, Justice Scalia took issue with the majority’s ruling: ‘Let there be no doubt: This case is about discrimination against a religious minority…What next? Will we deny priests and nuns their prescription-drug benefits on the ground that taxpayers’ freedom of conscience forbids medicating the clergy at public expense?’ Attorney Fahling said he also shared Justice Scalia’s concern that ‘the Court had read the Constitution to permit the government to discriminate against religion.’” (AFA Center
for Law & Policy News Release. 2/25/04.)

Student Suspended for God
“A high school student dismissed from his school broadcast program for signing off with ’God bless’ is rallying community members to his side. James Lord, a senior at Dupo High School in Belleville, Illinois, was suspended for one month from his daily news broadcast on the school’s closed circuit television after signing off his Dec. 17 broadcast. Lord told his student audience: ‘Have a safe and happy holiday, and God bless.’ School Principal Jonathan Heerboth has said Lord’s comment was inappropriate for public school, the Belleville News-Democrat reported. Lord says he plans to appeal the suspension because he claims it violated his First Amendment rights. Geoffrey Surtees, a lawyer with the Virginia-based American Center for Law and Justice who is representing Lord. Jame’s mother, Beverly Lord, called the school’s decision harsh and a suppression of free speech, the paper said.” (WorldNetDaily. 1/21/04.)

Religious Must Provide Abortions
“In a 6-1 decision closely watched by other states, California’s Supreme Court became the highest court in the country to rule a private charity must include birth control coverage in its health care plan in spite of its moral opposition to contraception. The ruling, on 3/1/04, not only could affect thousands of workers in church-supported institutions across the state, but likely could be emulated by other states, according to the ACLU, which filed briefs against the Catholic Charities. Richard Ackerman, legal counsel in the case, told WND that this decision could have greater impact that the U.S. Supreme Court decision last year that struck down Texas sodomy laws. The court’s reasoning in this decision calls into question any exemptions to laws or regulations that conflict with religious or moral belief, Ackerman explained. Justice Janice Roger Brown—the lone dissenter—wrote, ‘The government is not accidentally or incidentally interfering with religious practice; it is doing so willfully by making a judgment about what is or is not a religion.’” (WorldNetDaily. 3/2/04)


“Homosexual-rights activists filed a complaint against a Baptist church that held an event to support a proposed state constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. The liberal Montanans for Families and Fairness charge that Canyon Ferry Road Baptist Church in Helena, Montana, failed to report to the state commissioner it used its nonprofit resources to support the proposed constitutional ban, according to the Billings Gazette. The situation is under review by the state political practices commission, which could result in fines and loss of the church’s nonprofit status with the IRS for engaging in political advocacy.” (WorldNetDaily. 5/29/04.)


“Hundreds of pro-gay protesters tried to shout down religious leaders speaking against gay marriage to a crowd of thousands gathered at Seattle’s baseball stadium on 5/1/04. Protesters gathered in the stands after chanting and waving signs at participants as they arrived for the rally at Safeco Field. About 20,000 to 25,000 people attended the ‘Mayday for Marriage’ worship service and rally, organized by conservative Christian churches around the state in support of traditional marriage. ‘This is a place where we’re taking a stand,’ Dr. James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, told the crowd. ‘If gay marriage happens, the culture war is over and everything associated with it is lost. As religious participants arrived in busloads, they had to walk between sign-carrying protesters lining the sidewalk outside the stadium in this liberal city. Police estimated 1,500 gay rights protesters showed up outside the stadium, waving signs and chanting, ‘Bigots go home!’ as they marched back and forth out front.” (The Seattle Post-Intelligencer. 5/1/04.)

Cross Removal in Los Angeles

“The ACLU is demanding the removal of a tiny cross that is among other historic symbols on Los Angeles County’s official seal. ‘The cross is an impermissible endorsement of Christianity,’ said the ACLU Foundation of Southern California to county officials. The cross was incorporated into the seal to represent the area’s settlement by Spanish missionaries who, in the 1700s, founded two of California’s famous missions in what is now Los Angeles County. The cross panel is one of six panels around the seal’s main figure Pomona, a Roman goddessof fruits and trees.” (The Sacramento Bee. 5/25/04.)


“A San Diego school district is being sued after a student was suspended for wearing a T-shirt displaying the messages ‘Homosexuality is Shameful’ and ‘Our School Embraced What God Has Condemned.’ He wore it on a pro-homosexual ‘Day of Silence’ observance in April. During this national event, high school and college students were urged to show support for homosexual, bisexual and transgender students. The Poway Unified School District is accused of violating the 16-year-old sophomore’s civil rights. The Alliance Defense Fund says these public school officials engaged in unconstitutional suppression of speech. According to the lawyer, Robert Tyler, a school administrator told the student to ‘leave his faith in the car’ since his faith might offend others.” (Agape Press. 6/4/04.)

Crosses Illegal at Gay Day

“Before they could get one of their trademark 10-foot wooden crosses fastened together, two men were arrested by Dayton police officers on charges of disorderly conduct at a recent Gay Day gathering. The men often travel the nation preaching and carrying the crosses to bring attention to Christianity. Police say eight other Gay Day demonstrators left quietly. ‘This is the first time I’ve been arrested for being a Christian,’ said Michael Siemer after his release. ‘I think it’s a really bad thing that we can be arrested for expressing our views.’ The two arrested Christian men expressed concern because they say they were on private property, across the highway from the gathering at the park, and without being read their Miranda rights. Siemer said he plans to file a complaint against Dayton Police Chief Kenneth Walker.” (The Tennessean. 5/9/04.)


“The Windsor Locks School District ( Connecticut) has caved in to the demands of the ACLU, which recently threatened the district with an injunction if its officials allowed local clergy to give a biblical presentation on homosexuality at Windsor Locks High School. This past May, the school district permitted a group called the Stonewall Speakers to visit the high school and promote the homosexual lifestyle. Some local clergy and members of the public felt the pro-homosexual presentation needed to be balanced. The school district agreed to allow a group to come into the school and present a religious perspective on the issue. However, when the ACLU threatened legal action, district officials decided to cancel the planned clergy presentation.” (Agape Press. 7/1/04.)

“The city of Los Angeles may have to change its name. Also, cities like San Francisco, San Diego, and Santa Barbara could be looking for new monikers. The reason? They all have religious meaning in their names.Los Angeles refers to the ‘City of Angels,’ while the others refer to names of saints. In fact, the official name of Los Angeles is ‘The Town of Our Lady the Queen of Angels of the Little Portion.’ According to the Los Angeles Daily News, a strong legal argument could be made to force municipal name changes, based on the argument the names violate the so-called separation of church and state. This issue is being raised in the wake of the decision recently by Los Angeles County to remove a small cross from its official seal. Ironically, the most prominent image in the L. A. County seal is one of Pomona, the pagan Roman goddess of fruits and nuts, though the ACLU did not object to the goddess in its push to have the cross removed.” (WorldNetDaily. 6/13/04.)

“A Virginia church recently got into some hot water for conducting river baptisms in a public park. Last month, officials of a park just outside Fredericksburg, tried to break up the ceremony, claiming it might be offensive to nearby swimmers or other people using the park. Todd Pyle, senior pastor at Cornerstone Baptist Church in Stafford County, was able to finish baptizing 12 new members of his flock, but then he was asked to leave. ‘These people are being discriminated against because of the content of their speech,’ said the Rev. Patrick Mahoney, who heads the Christian Defense Coalition. ‘It’s one of the most egregious violations of the First Amendment I have ever seen.’” (Religion Today. 6/10/04.)

Los Angeles Cross Now Gone

“Despite more than a thousand protesters voicing their support to the contrary, the three Democrats on the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors reaffirmed their decision on 6/9/04 to remove a tiny cross from the county’s official seal. The American Civil Liberties Union had threatened to sue the county if it did not remove the cross, describing it as an ‘impermissible endorsement of Christianity’ - and the Board of Supervisors succumbed to that threat recently and voted 3-2 to remove the symbol. Randy Thomasson, executive director of Campaign for California Family says the outpouring of support for keeping the cross fell on deaf ears—and that the ‘outrageous’ vote to remove the cross from the county seal demonstrates that ‘anti-Christian arrogance is king’ in Los Angeles. “ (Agape Press. 6/9/04.)


“A public employee in California is suing his employer, claiming the state has singled him out for discrimination because of his Christian faith. Dan Berry is a longtime employee of the Tehama County Child Protection Services Agency in Redbluff, California. Earlier this year he noticed fellow employees expressing their personal opinions and beliefs by posting personal items in their private work cubicles. The state worker began displaying a Bible in his cubicle and meeting with fellow workers during lunch for prayer. He was told to stop praying and to remove his Bible. A judge recently sided with the state against Berry.” (Agape Press. 5/35/04.)


“A Florida retirement community has been accused of violating state law and the Federal Fair Housing Act because the facility’s management banned a group of seniors from meeting for worship in the common areas of the community. For several years members of the Savanna Club Home Owners Association in Port St. Lucie, Florida, have met in common areas of the retirement community for worship services. However, last month the board of the homeowners association voted to ban any religious services from the common areas. The Department of HUD will review the complaints.” (Agape Press. 8/6/04.)


  “A California pastor says he will keep opening his church doors to the homeless, despite increased scrutiny from city officials. On any given night, 70 to 80 homeless people are allowed to sleep in the First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park. But recently, Pastor Wiley Drake says city officials have notified him they are reviewing his occupancy and land use permits and other paperwork. Drake says city officials are upset because his church is not far from Disneyland, which is often touted in advertisements as ‘The Happiest Place on Earth.’ He believes the officials are quite unhappy with having a ministry to the homeless in such close proximity to the amusement park and resort area, and that they are employing intimidation and harassment to try to stop the church from doing its outreach to this needy community in that location. But the pastor notes that he has fought off previous efforts by city officials to evict the homeless from his church, and he says those who have a need will continue to receive help. ‘We just will not turn anyone away,’ Drake says. “We will always find a way to help them.’” (Religion Today. 7/28/04.)

  The Big Ten Appealed

“The highest court in America has been asked to clarify conflicting rulings that have been handed down by several U.S. circuit appeals courts concerning Ten Commandments displays. The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn a January 2004 appeals court decision banning Ten Commandments monuments at four public schools in Adams County, Ohio. The case stems from a 1999 lawsuit filed against the school board over those displays, which resulted in a lower-court ruling that the displays were unconstitutional. According to the ACLJ counsel, Frank Manion, he believes the case should have ended when the county changed the display in 2002. Also, the Sixth Court’s decision conflicts with other decisions involving display of the Ten Commandments in the Third, Fifth and Tenth Circuits. The legal group says such conflicts in the federal circuits often result in the Supreme Court taking a case to resolve conflicting decisions.” (Agape Press. 7/14/04.)

City Council Removes Jesus

“A federal appeals court recently upheld a judge’s ruling that prohibits the Great Falls, S.C., Town Council from opening its meetings with a prayer that mentions Jesus Christ. A three-judge panel of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously ruled that such prayers amount to an unconstitutional government advancement of one religion: Christianity. Darla Kaye Wynne, a Wiccan high priestess (a witch), sued the town after its leaders refused to open meetings only with nonsectarian prayers or to allow members of different faiths to lead the prayers. U. S. District Judge Cameron McGowan of Rock Hill, S.C., ruled last year that the prayers violated the First Amendment’s establishment of religion clause. The appeals court agreed, citing U.S. Supreme Court rulings that allow only generic prayers by government bodies. (Daily Press. 7/22/04.)

 

“An Iowa middle school teacher has been terminated from his job over his refusal to remove items from his office that symbolize the Christian faith. School officials told music teacher Luke Miller having faith-based posters, gospel tracts, and a picture of the Lord’s Supper was an unconstitutional endorsement of religion. Miller, who has been a teacher for 10 years, says administrators knew about the items in his office for a long time, but chose to confront him about them one week before classes started. School officials claimed allowing him to have the items in his office violated the so-called separation of Church and state. Miller says unless God leads him otherwise, he will probably leave public education for good. According to him, the situation is unlikely to be any different anywhere else in the U.S.” (Religion Today. 9/1/04.)


“A public school district in Louisiana has agreed to stop allowing prayers before football games and other school events. That settles most of the demands in a lawsuit filed by the ACLU against the Tangipahoa Parish School Board. A federal judge will be asked to decide whether prayers can be said at school board meetings. “ (Agape Press. 8/26/04.)


“HolyBears, Inc., the Texas-based designer/marketer of a line of plush toy bears with inspirational and patriotic messages, recently announced the U.S. Post Offices in Louisville, Kentucky, will cease carrying the company’s products due to the threat of an American Civil Liberties Union complaint. The teddy bears are being sold by the U.S. Postal Service and include the God Bless America bear and the God Bless Our Troops Bear, as well as other designs that honor religious and family themes as well as life-cycle events. But a Kentucky resident found the bears offensive and threatened to go to the ACLU. After conferring with attorneys, the Louisville Postal headquarters issued a memo directing employees to take the bears off the shelves and return them to the company. Kentucky postal workers and local customers were dismayed by the decision, as well as HolyBears spokesman Eric Caroll. A number of national leaders have praised HolyBears for its promotion of family values and patriotism, including President George Bush, Senator John McCain, and Kentucky’s own Senator Jim Bunning.” (Agape Press. 8/26/04.)

“A devout Christian working at MIT claims co-workers wore phony clerical collars, called him Jesus and blasted the Rolling Stones’ ‘Sympathy for the Devil’ during a 15-year campaign of harassment and ridicule against him. In a discrimination lawsuit pending in federal court, machinist Mark A. Peterson contends supervisors at the school’s Lincoln Lab in Lexington joined the harassment, ‘openly telling jokes about God’ and refusing to reprimand workers who spit in his coffee and left a noose on his workbench.

‘Employees and/or supervisors at MIT Lincoln Lab have harassed Peterson because of his religious beliefs (Christian), including assaulting him with a chemical, vandalizing and stealing his property, tampering with the machines he was working on and making verbal threats,’ the suit says. The nine-page lawsuit filed earlier this month also names Peterson’s union, the Research Development and Technical Employees’ Union, claiming leaders took part in the harassment and did not represent him properly in grievance procedures in 2003. Peterson claims the trouble began in 1987 when he and another Christian employee began meeting during breaks to read and discuss the Bible. He says he was told not to bring his Bible to work again.” ( Boston Herald. 8/2//04.)

“A North Carolina congressman is calling for an investigation into a decision by the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill to deny recognition to another Christian student group. UNC recently froze funding to the Alpha Iota Omega Christian fraternity, claiming the group’s desire to limit its membership to Christians constitutes ‘ discrimination.’ The fraternity refused to sign a ‘diversity statement’ that would force it to admit non-Christians as members. Republican Congressman Walter Jones says the incident is yet another example of a taxpayer-funded university not recognizing the constitutional rights of students. The North Carolina lawmaker believes UNC is engaging in blatant anti-Christian bigotry. Jones perceives the UNC situation as ‘an extension of the extreme left in this country trying to undermine the Judeo-Christian principles of America.’” (Agape Press. 8/13/04.)

“An evangelical activist is being tried for reading the Bible at a meeting of the Lansdowne Borough Council in Pennsylvania. According to the News of Delaware County, the president of the council called Lansdowne resident Michael Marcavage’s reading ‘hate speech.’ Marcavage, who is director of the organization Repent America, faces charges for disrupting a public meeting. Marcavage’s attorney, Steven Shields, said, “The council president, who I believe is Mr. Council, said that’s hate speech. What better way to squelch the messenger or silence the message than to arrest the messenger?’” (WorldNetDaily. 10/1/04.)

“A federal judge is hearing a case involving a Christian student who was suspended by his California high school for wearing a T-shirt displaying the messages ‘Homosexuality is Shameful’ and ‘Our School Embraced What God Has Condemned.’ In early June, 16-year-old Chase Harper filed a lawsuit against the Poway Unified School District, claiming it violated his right to free speech and free expression. Harper had worn the shirt in April during an annual pro-homosexual event known as ‘Day of Silence.’ The district argues the T-shirt amounts to ‘hate speech’ and is disruptive to the way Poway High School functions. When confronted by a school official in April, Harper was told to ‘leave his faith in the car.’ The Alliance Defense Fund maintains the school’s actions amount to unconstitutional suppression of speech.” (Agape Press. 9/22/04.)

“The Pentagon has agreed to warn military bases that they should not directly sponsor Boy Scout troops, partly resolving claims that the government has improperly supported a group that requires members to believe in God. The settlement came as a result of a 1999 lawsuit filed by the ACLU of Illinois complaining that the government ‘should not be administering religious oaths or discriminating based on religious beliefs.’ The rule supposedly does not prevent service members from leading Scout troops unofficially in their free time.” (The Gazette. 11/16/04.)

“Speaking in the aftermath of the presidential election, Democrat radio host Garrison Keillor says he is on a quest to take away the right of born-again Christians to vote, saying their citizenship is actually in heaven, not the United States. Keillor, host of the popular National Public Radio show ‘A Prairie Home Companion,’ made the comments during a speech at Chicago’s Rockefeller Memorial Chapel and during his radio monologue the Saturday after the election. According to a report in the University of Chicago’s Chicago Maroon, Keillor told the audience: ‘If born-again Christians are allowed to vote in this country, then why not Canadians?’ Though Keillor’s comments about disenfranchising born-again Christians apparently was made in jest, posters on FreeRepublic.com were not amused. ‘Replace “born-again Christians” with “black people” and Keillor should get a sense of the depths of his bigotry,’ said the post.” (WorldNetDaily. 11/15/04.)

“A group of parents is upset that little—if any—discussion of Christmas is allowed in their Maine school district’s classrooms. In 1994, the Scarborough ( Maine) School District banned all Christmas celebrations. However, since the policy was adopted, talk about Hanukkah and other non-Christian holidays has been allowed in the district. And, according to area parent Lisa Lowry, even though the schools’ policy was amended two years ago, the teachers are still afraid to discuss Christmas. As a result of this situation, Lowry says Scarborough kids are coming home afraid to say ‘Merry Christmas.’ A particular concern to the Scarborough parents is the fact that the schools go beyond merely suppressing the Christian holiday to expressly discriminate against it. The parents are asking the district administrators to allow Christmas celebrations back into classrooms.” (Agape Press. 11/9/04.)

City Council Bans Prayer

“A South Carolina town will ask the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn a lower federal court’s ban on praying in the name of Jesus at city council meetings. The Great Falls town council voted 6-to-1 for an appeal in the lawsuit brought by Darla Wynne, a Wiccan high priestess. Town attorney Brian Gibbons filed the case.” (Agape Press. 11/17/04.)

ACLU Slams Constitution

“In a season typified by lawsuits against manger scenes, crosses and even the words ‘Merry Christmas,’ a California case is taking the ‘separation of church and state’ one step further—dealing with whether it’s unconstitutional to read the Declaration of Independence in public school. Attorneys for the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) filed suit recently against the Cupertino Union School District for prohibiting a teacher from providing supplemental handouts to students about American history because the historical documents contain some references to God and religion. ‘Throwing aside all common sense, the district has chosen to censor men such as George Washington and documents like the Declaration of Independence,’ said ADF Senior Counsel Gary McCaleb. ‘The district’s actions conflict with American beliefs and are completely unconstitutional.’” (WorldNetDaily. 11/23/04.)

“The ACLU has threatened to sue the state of Louisiana because a state website promoting abstinence mentions God. In a six-page letter, the ACLU claims the state abstinence program has violated a 2002 court settlement by invoking the name of God and quoting biblical passages on the program’s taxpayer-funded website, reported the New Orleans Times-Picayune. The liberal legal group says it will take the Governor’s Program on Abstinence back to federal court in 30 days if religious references are not removed from the site. Even so, the site, AbstinenceEdu.com, continues to mention God, with one personal testimony from a girl who said she thanked God after she chose not to have sex.” (WorldNetDaily. 11/19/04.)

*Nativity Removed to Avoid ACLU in

Beaver County , Pennsylvania . (WorldNetDaily. 12/18/04.)

*Anti-Christmas District Hit with Federal Lawsuit: School officials banned carols, even for instrumental groups in South Orange-Maplewood School District in New Jersey. (WorldNetDaily. 12/20/04.)

*New England Nativity Nixed by ACLU Lawsuit in Balch Elementary School in South Norwood, Massachusetts. (Agape Press. 12/21/04.)

*Students Claim Student Newspaper was Censored because of Christmas References at Pueblo East High School in Colorado.” (Agape Press. 12/30/04.)

*Nativity Banned but Muslim, Jewish Symbols Allowed in New York City, New York. (WorldNetDaily. 12/10/04.)

*School Censors Christmas from Student Performance at Lakehoma Elementary in Mustang, Oklahoma: Superintendent leaves references to Hanukkah and Kwanzaa. (WorldNetDaily. 12/10/04.)

*Justice Opens Probe Into School District: Federal attorneys look at allegations of officials of the Plano Independent School District in Plano, Texascensoring Christmas, squelching religious rights. (WorldNetDaily. 12/16/04.)

*Schools Prohibit Christmas Colors: District targeted with lawsuit after officials require white-only supplies for “winter” party in Texas. (WorldNetDaily. 12/15/04.)

*School Program yank Christmas carols at a Palm Beach School District in Florida. ( Palm Beach Post. 12/16/04.)

*Atheists ask City Council to

take down Christmas Tree in Bellevue, Washington. (KOMO TV news. 12/15/04.)

* Pasco County Bans Christmas Trees from Public Buildings in New Port Richey, Florida.( Tallahassee Times. 11/16/04.)

*School’s “Inclusive” Holiday Program Challenged for Excluding Christ in Chicago, Illinois. (Agape Press. 12/8/04.)

*President Bush White House’s Christ-less Christmas: Official commemorations in Washington D.C.emphasize Santa, Rudolph over Jesus in 2004. (WorldNetDaily. 12/21/04.)

I have about one hundred more articles with similar anti-Christian headlines. Were there any victories? Some. For instance…

*Group Sings Carols in Front of the ACLU Office. (WorldNetDaily. 12/4/04.)

* DenverBacktracks on Christmas Song:

But Christian church group still excluded from Parade of Lights. (WorldNetDaily. 12/3/04.)

*New Jersey Mayor of Bogota Sponsors “Illegal” Caroling: Governor candidate invites rivals to sing banned Christmas songs outside school. (WorldNetDaily. 11/17/04.)

*For Conservatives, “Merry Christmas” becomes a Cause: Christian groups press businesses. ( Boston News. 12/15/04.)

We are now into the new year of 2005. What will be in store for Christians and the religious landscape of this nation? Well, I have a prediction, and that is: The Secular Left will continue their relentless and hateful assault against all things Christian, sacred and traditional in this country with numerous successes despite a Republican majority.

Again, am I just exaggerating to make a point? I wish I was just exaggerating. In fact,

I am truly concerned as I see America’s Christian heritage continually being eroded

and eliminated from the public square and our national conscience. As secularists succeed in their mission, immorality and indecency will escalate. We need Christians who are willing to come alive in 2005—in word and in deed! (The Salt Factor. 1/2005.)


DeBerry’s Sensitivity Training

“ Air Force Academy football coach Fisher DeBerry has been counseled about the insensitivities associated with hanging a sign in the Falcon Athletic Complex promoting Christianity. DeBerry, who has coached academy football for 21 years, hung the Fellowship of Christian Athletes’ ‘Competitor’s Creed’ on Nov. 17 after the team’s captains voted this fall in favor of it. The 2 1/2-foot by 5-foot banner states, ‘I am

a Christian first and last…I am a member of Team Jesus Christ.’ The banner went up in the locker room Nov. 17. When Athletic Director Hans Mueh saw the poster, he notified academy Superintendent Lt. Gen. John Rosa Jr. The banner was removed on Nov. 19 and DeBerry was not disciplined. DeBerry has signed a five-year contract extension for his coaching job.” (The Gazette. 12/1/04.)
State Aid Discrimination

“ Colorado is discriminating against religious schools and universities in its state student aid programs, a lawsuit filed in federal court charges. Colorado Christian University says it applied to participate in the programs in September 2003, but last month, the application was denied on the sole ground that the school was ‘pervasively sectarian.’The Center for Law & Religious Freedom of the Christian Legal Society, which filed the suit on behalf of the school, alleges Colorado’s exclusion of the school and its students

from state aid programs violates the First Amendment’s Free Exercise and Establishment clauses in addition to the Equal Protection Clause. The suit against the Colorado Commission on Higher Education asked the court for review.” (WorldNetDaily. 12/10/04.)


Anti-Scouting Discrimination

“Under pressure from gay and atheist parents, Portland school officials are considering a policy that would ban the Boy Scouts of America from recruiting students during school hours. Under the proposal, non-school groups would be allowed to send literature home with children, but the flier or pamphlet would need to be accompanied with a disclaimer, warning the groups’ values may be offensive.The Boy Scout oath requires members to affirm ‘a duty to God’ and calls for scouts to keep themselves ‘morally straight’ - values which gay parents and atheists say are inherently discriminatory.” (Associated Press. The WorldLink.com. 12/13/04.)
Prayer Poem Peeves Public

“A high school principal apologized recently for reading a poem called ‘The New School Prayer’ over the school’s intercom, which brought complaints from some parents who said it violated the principal of separation of church and state. Tommy Craft said he wanted not to promote religion but to provoke thought and discussion among students about the changing political climate in school when he read the poem. The poem, which has circulated on the Internet since at least 1992, refers to prayer not being allowed in school although students can ‘dress like freaks, and pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks,’ or ‘elect a pregnant Senior Queen.’” (The Gazette. 11/30/04.)
Banning Bible Camp

“The parents of an elementary school student who was told not to distribute invitations asking classmates to join a Bible club sued the school district in federal court in mid-December, claiming their right to religious freedom had been violated. The lawsuit says the Gilpin County RE-1 School District violated constitutional rights protecting free speech and religion. Robert and Patricia Unruh say the district barred their daughter from distributing the invitations based solely on their religious content. Other groups, such as the Girl Scouts and Little League, are allowed to advertise in such a way, the suit says.” (The Gazette. 12/16/04.)
Newspaper Insert Uproar in Colorado Springs

In December, dozens of evangelical churches and some Christian organizations pooled their resources to include a New Testament in the daily Gazette newspaper. Holy cow! (Please excuse the Hindu form of cursing.) What an uproar this caused! By reading some of the Letters to the Editor, you’d think the religious community distributed pornography. Hmmm…porn probably would have been more welcomed over the Word of God come to think of it. (Sarcasm intended!) The Free Thinkers (that is, atheists, agnostics and unbelievers) responded with venom. The cry went out: “Send us sample toothpaste, breath mints, soap, AOL cds, intrusive advertising in our local paper, but keep religion out of it!” How did the Gazette respond? Here is a portion of the Editorial Page by Editor Sean Paige:

“As believers in a free press and free expression; as merchants in the marketplace

of ideas; as opponents of discrimination in all its forms; and as a profit-driven company—what else could we do but accept this promotion? The real betrayal of principles, the real hypocrisy, the real demonstration of bias would have been for The Gazette to have shunned this particular advertiser simply because it was promoting religious ideas or because the product might be thought controversial by some.” (The Gazette. 12/23/04.)


Colorado Fire Official Burned

“A state official has apologized for sending an e-mail urging colleagues to follow Jesus. The note was sent from his work account to staff and fire chiefs across Colorado. Paul Cooke, director for the Colorado Division of Fire Safety, wrote that Jesus’ words and works are ‘central to our lives and must guide us and inspire us.’ This was a part of his Christmas greeting sent during December. Lance Clem, spokesman for the State Department of Public Safety, said the message violated department policy against personal messages in e-mail. Clem said Cooke does not face disciplinary action. Cooke, who has headed the Fire Safety Division for 13 years, issued a statement of apology to those who may have been offended.” (The Gazette. 12/29/04.)

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Posted: 21 March 2007 03:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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I can see your confusion.  I can see how you can misinterpret these events.  I’ll even be so bold to say that in some of these cases, the Christians got screwed.  However, you haven’t given me a single official document.  I saw a reference to a couple of cases, but none saying anything remotely like what you are attempting to portray.  All deal with separation of church and state and freedom of speech.  You do realize that there have always been limits on freedom of speech right?  Christians are starting to get mad about the way the world is, and rightfully so, but instead of addressing the problem and working within the system, they are holing up in their congregations and playing “Whoa is me.  Everyone hates us.”  Instead of dealing with what is actually happening PEOPLE LIKE YOU RUN AROUND SCREAMING THAT THE SKY IS FALLING!  Your leaders are creating a me against us mentality that is poisoning your thought.

Nothing that is currently happening to Christians is unique to American history.  In fact, it is no different than what the very minority groups you hate have been subjected to under your “Judeo-Christian valued America”.  The Court systems have not moved in their interpretations of free speech and freedom of religion, or the seperation between church and state. 

What has really happened is that for the first time in American history, the christian majority is starting to buck up against the very rules instilled by them in an effort to allow minorities to be heard but limit their disruption on society.

Ever thought about that before?  Replace Christian in all of your examples with atheist, and you my friend would attribute it to god’s will.  You are a prime example of perception creating reality.

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[quote author=“MDBeach”]I can see your confusion.  I can see how you can misinterpret these events.  I’ll even be so bold to say that in some of these cases, the Christians got screwed.  However, you haven’t given me a single official document.  I saw a reference to a couple of cases, but none saying anything remotely like what you are attempting to portray.  All deal with separation of church and state and freedom of speech.  You do realize that there have always been limits on freedom of speech right?  Christians are starting to get mad about the way the world is, and rightfully so, but instead of addressing the problem and working within the system, they are holing up in their congregations and playing “Whoa is me.  Everyone hates us.”  Instead of dealing with what is actually happening PEOPLE LIKE YOU RUN AROUND SCREAMING THAT THE SKY IS FALLING!  Your leaders are creating a me against us mentality that is poisoning your thought.

Nothing that is currently happening to Christians is unique to American history.  In fact, it is no different than what the very minority groups you hate have been subjected to under your “Judeo-Christian valued America”.  The Court systems have not moved in their interpretations of free speech and freedom of religion, or the seperation between church and state. 

What has really happened is that for the first time in American history, the christian majority is starting to buck up against the very rules instilled by them in an effort to allow minorities to be heard but limit their disruption on society.

Ever thought about that before?  Replace Christian in all of your examples with atheist, and you my friend would attribute it to god’s will.  You are a prime example of perception creating reality.

Yes I am soooooooooooo confused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTRV82QCjBI&mode=related&search;=

Christians aren’t the only ones at risk…..libertarians tooo.

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Posted: 21 March 2007 09:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Nice try with the libertarian reach.  I am a patriot.  I owe allegiance to no one except my country.

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[quote author=“MDBeach”]Nice try with the libertarian reach.  I am a patriot.  I owe allegiance to no one except my country.

Interesting, reading over your posts and then realizing who you made yourself out to be in your private messages to me, I see now you show your true colors.  Duly noted.

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