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Posted: 09 January 2008 11:39 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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I’m going to try to avoid using too many words beyond this opening sentence and post a philosophical timeline through Art of a specific concept that has permeated every society around the world:


3,350 years ago . . . Ikhenaten & Nefertiti (Sun of enlightenment above their heads giving life)
http://www.siloam.net/members.aol.com/rex2kids/private/aten1.gif

Pharaoh Tutankhaten (Ikhenaten’s Son) being born out of a lotus flower
http://www.all-about-egypt.com/image-files/tut-lotus.jpg


3,000 years ago . . . Krishna with (Sun of Enlightenment behind his head)
http://www.iloveulove.com/images/krishna-lg2.jpg


2,600 years ago . . . Zoroaster (Sun of Enlightenment behind his head)
http://www.avesta.org/gifs/zar.jpg

2,600 years ago . . . Buddha (Sun of Enlightenment behind his head)
http://www.buddhanet.net/budart/images/altar-buddha06.jpg

Buddha being born out of a lotus
http://www.exbali.com/images/Bhudda_E.jpg


2,600 years ago . . . Lao Tzu (Sun of Enlightenment behind his head)
http://www.thetao.info/images/conlaosqbig.jpg


2,000 years ago . . . Jesus Christ (Sun of Enlightenment behind his head)
http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/living_jesus_christ.jpg

Jesus the Shepherd (with curved staff in hand)
http://kvbatv.com/images/Yeshua.jpg

King Tut with a curved staff in hand
http://blog.mr-pc.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/tut_canopic.jpg

Pharaoh Ikhenaten with curved staff in hand
http://touregypt.net/featurestories/akhenaten.jpg

 

 

Think there is a connection between them and their philosophies?


2,500 years ago . . . Mahavira (Sun of Enlightenment behind his head)
http://www.exoticindiaart.com/artimages/mahavira_sm.jpg

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Posted: 10 January 2008 11:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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What is the “Sun of Enlightenment”?

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Posted: 10 January 2008 03:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Artist are plagarist.

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mcalpine - 10 January 2008 04:19 PM

What is the “Sun of Enlightenment”?

An artistic symbol that represents the enlightenment and awakening of the individual. Bob Marley used the symbol on one of his album covers:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000001FYB.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

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Celsus - 10 January 2008 08:46 PM

Artist are plagarist.

“Copy from one, it’s plagiarism; copy from two, it’s research.” - John Milton


All modern ideas stem from old ideas resurrected and reworked. Plagiarism is a necessity of evolution and the need to attribute ideas to names is foolish and stupid, especially since they likely heard it from somebody unknown in a passing conversation.

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Yahsene - 10 January 2008 04:39 AM

Think there is a connection between them and their philosophies?

The swastika is an ancient symbol, it can be found in several cultures, Hindu, Japanese, Chinese and Germanic.
Does that mean there could be something to Nazism? Quite likely not. Symbols are just what it sounds like, symbols. They are at the mercy of whomever is able to connect them to an idea or a concept.

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Posted: 10 January 2008 07:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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Yahsene - 10 January 2008 04:39 AM

Think there is a connection between them and their philosophies?

The swastika is an ancient symbol, it can be found in several cultures, Hindu, Japanese, Chinese and Germanic.
Does that mean there could be something to Nazism? Quite likely not. Symbols are just what it sounds like, symbols. They are at the mercy of whomever is able to connect them to an idea or a concept.

*Stares at Unbeliever in disbelief*

3,350 years ago Ikhenaten and Nefertiti led a revolution against the cults of Amen Ra and overthrew them and tried to introduce Monism for the first time to the world.

The cults of Amen Ra murdered them and King Tut (Ikhenaten’s son) and tried to erase them from Egyptian History.

3,250 years ago a prince from the Thutmosis family who intermarried with the Amenhotep family (Ikhenaten’s family) led a revolt against the Pharaoh of that time Ramses and fled with followers of Ikhenaten in two directions (Sinai to the East and Ethiopia to the South).
Those who fled toward Canaan became Israel.

2,600 years ago Babylon conquered Israel and slaughtered many. Those who weren’t killed or taken as slaves (Nazarites) fled in different directions (some toward Greece, others toward India and into Asia).

2,600 years ago Buddha began teaching Enlightenment in India and used the symbol of the Sun. Lao Tzu began teaching Enlightenment in China and used the symbol of the Tao (similar to the Iahaten moon and sun symbol in El Amarna).
Coincidentally Pythagoras began travelling and met a group called the Nazarene Essenes in Ancient Egypt and studied with them (taking up several of their teachings and taught it to the Greeks). Zoroaster and Mahavira began teaching at this same time as well and they all used the Sun as their symbol.

2,000 years ago the Nazarene Essenes led a revolt against Rome and the Pharisee and Saducce sects in Jerusalem, were killed or ran off by Saul of Tarsus (Paul) and Saul changed his name to Paul, went into Rome and created Christianity distorting their message of Mashiach Yeshua (Christ Jesus) which was a poetic personification of the “Anointed Salvation”.

[Edited because I’m going to try to be nice to you even though you’re obviously trolling in every single reply]

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[quote author=“Yahsene” date=“1200039491]Did you even look at the timeline? Have you studied history and how ideas traveled? Are you aware that after the El Amarna Revolution in Ancient Egypt (Ikhenaten and Nefertiti) a prince from the family of Thutmosis fled with other followers of Ikhenaten in two directions (Southern Sinai and Ethiopia)?

What is your proof for this?

Are you aware that in 650BC Israel (the Atenist followers) were conquered and taken as slaves into Babylon (except those who escaped and fled in different directions)? Are you aware that approximately 600BC Buddha, Lao Tzu, Zoroaster, Mahavira and Pythagoras all began teaching the same exact message?

Can you cite a refernce for this?

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Posted: 10 January 2008 08:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Celsus - 11 January 2008 12:39 AM

[quote author=“Yahsene” date=“1200039491]Did you even look at the timeline? Have you studied history and how ideas traveled? Are you aware that after the El Amarna Revolution in Ancient Egypt (Ikhenaten and Nefertiti) a prince from the family of Thutmosis fled with other followers of Ikhenaten in two directions (Southern Sinai and Ethiopia)?

What is your proof for this?

Anybody who has studied the 18th Dynasty in Ancient Egypt knows about this. It is a historical fact. The only reason that you don’t hear religions talk about it is because it completely uproots ALL of them simultaneously.

Israel = Isis Ra El (three gods of Egypt)
DWD (David) = TWT (Thutmosis)
Solomon = Sol Amun/Amen (Son of Amen/Amenhotep IV/Ikhenaten)
Jonathan/Yehonatan = Ikhenaten
Even the temple in Jerusalem faces directly toward El Amarna, is set up like the temple Ikhenaten created and everything, and the faces of the Nazarenes were turns toward El Amarna upon burial.

The entire religion of Judaism is a branch off of the cults of Amen Ra (thus Jews, Christians and Muslims all say “Amen” at the end of their prayers). They are praying to Amen Ra, only they are using the wrong name (God/Hashem/Allah). Yah was a word used by Ikhenaten and all it meant was the Moon and was pronounced Iah. He combined Iah (the moon) and Aten (the sun) and changed his name from Amenhotep IV to Iahaten (Ikhenaten) to represent the balance of nature. The sun was not being worshiped as God as Christian and Jewish archeologists are trying to pretend it did and Ikhenaten was not forming a new cult. He was establishing the first Monistic Religion (not Monotheistic) religion the world had ever seen, based on nature and art and naturalism, light and enlightenment. He was destroying the temples all over Egypt and scratching off the name Amen Ra everywhere it was written. The man was destroying the cults and giving enlightenment to the world freely (teaching that it belongs to all people, freely).

Judaism, Christianity and Islam got turned into cults and eventually religions and distorted the message being taught.
All of it fits beautifully together, but only if one reads between the lines and connects science and history with religion. It’s such a simple message that has been complicated by opportunists (nothing new in that).

There are plenty of books about Ancient Egypt. Look them up and just read up on timelines and compare them to Biblical event timelines. Look at the traditions of the Jews and you find ALL of them in Ancient Egypt. Why is it that in Daniel there are five beasts named: “Persia, Babylon, Greece, Rome and a 5th comprised of all the previous 4”, yet no mention of Egypt as a Beast prior to Persia? It’s simple. Israel was once a part of Egypt. The name Israel gives them away from the very beginning. Hebrew itself is an Egyptian word. Ikhenaten was a Hebrew.

Are you aware that in 650BC Israel (the Atenist followers) were conquered and taken as slaves into Babylon (except those who escaped and fled in different directions)? Are you aware that approximately 600BC Buddha, Lao Tzu, Zoroaster, Mahavira and Pythagoras all began teaching the same exact message?

Can you cite a refernce for this?

For what? Israel being taken captive or the timeframe when Buddha, Lao Tzu, Zoroaster, Mahavira and Pythagoras all taught? If it is the former look it up. If it is the latter then look their names up. Why do people have to have somebody write a book about something and piece everything together before they can see patterns?

There is no reference that brings it all together to my knowledge. A book does not exist until somebody writes it.
A book like that would require a shitload of historical references and documents because all three of the Western world religions would oppose it (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). It would cripple everything they claim for themselves.

Imagine, Moses (Mosis) was not the leader, but just a prince who followed the religion created by the Pharaoh Ikhenaten. How do you think Jews, Christians and Muslims would react to this?

If the Bible is not the “word of God” and it can be proven historically (and it clearly can be proven that several of the Psalms were plagiarized by Ikhenaten directly) and the Quran clearly claims that the Torah is the word of God, then Judaism, Christianity AND Islam all fall apart in one book.

It would completely cripple all three religions if a scientist, archeologist, theologist and historian all worked together and wrote it so that every word is 100% accurate.

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Yahun, I much admire that you have discovered a beautiful pattern in the ancient past. But please remember that Egypt plays a significant part in Genesis, not to mention Exodus. One can hardly argue that any Egyptian influence has been kept secret.

By the way, what’s all this I hear about snake worship? Did that start in Egypt, too?

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mcalpine - 11 January 2008 03:23 AM

Yahun, I much admire that you have discovered a beautiful pattern in the ancient past. But please remember that Egypt plays a significant part in Genesis, not to mention Exodus. One can hardly argue that any Egyptian influence has been kept secret.

Misinformation is one of the greatest tools ever used by leaders. During WWII 48,000,000 people died. Out of those 48,000,000 only 6,000,000 (an estimated guess, keep in mind) were killed in camps. Out of those 6,000,000 only about 2,000,000 were Jews. All anybody ever talks about is the Jewish Holocaust. Why?

When one reads the Bible they read that Israel came from Isaac whom God changed his name to Israel. The Bible doesn’t explain why, because there is no logical explanation why Isaac would change his name to Isis-Ra-El. It’s bullshit. But, the Bible claims that the Hebrews became slaves to Egypt (another lie that has been proven to be a complete fabrication by archeologists) and that they then later, as a race, fled from Egypt in the Exodus to escape their oppressive slave owners. The reality is that the Hebrews WERE Egyptians and that Ikhenaten and Nefertiti led a revolt against the cults of Amen Ra and that Thutmosis was a follower of Ikhenaten who led the Atenist Egyptians out of Egypt. It was not a racial evacuation, it was a religious issue and those who flew were not all of one race. The entire Biblical story is filled with lies.

The Torat is a blatant theft of all of the greatest surrounding fables and historical stories. They took the story of Hercules wrestling with a snake and applied it to Samson. The Bible even says that Samson had 7 Locks (not braids, LOCKS) in his hair. Locks are dreads. The real Samson was a black man (an African) and that is obvious since he supposedly wrestled with a Lion and killed it. Are there lions in Jerusalem? Lions don’t live in Palestine. They never have. Lions are in Africa.

Egypt didn’t influence Judaism. Judaism is an Egyptian cult religion of Amen Ra. It was an intentional misrepresentation.
Even the conflicts between the Prophets and the Priests is the summary of the Tanakh (Old Testament). The Prophets were ALL Nazarites (strict followers of Ikhenaten’s monism) and they rejected the cult practices of Judaism and constantly spoke out against the religion. Isaiah was sawed in half upside down in the temple by the Jewish priests.

Judaism is a blood cult. It is a death cult and the temple of Jerusalem was built on the mount because it is where the Ancient Jews worshiped Moloch and sacrificed babies to him.

Ikhenaten, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Pythagoras, Yeshua and Mohammed all taught the same fundamental message and that message was a scientific message based on logic and reason and nature, not some superstitious death cult full of priests and stupid ass magical customs including crosses, incantations and fancy robes or idols and incense. The books that remain about them are filled with lies. The Torat, the Gospels AND the Quran are bullshit accounts of what the men taught. The message managed to remain preserved in the East because the cults never moved into India and Asia (as they couldn’t blend well, by looking so different).

The truth is also found in Yeshua’s words in the Gospel of Thomas (and even in the New Testament Gospels) in statements such as: “The kingdom of God is not some far off place to be found, nobody will say to you ‘Here it is!’ or ‘There it is!’ for the kingdom of God is within you. It is inside of you and outside of you.” This statement alone destroys Christianity and if you want to shatter the Christian idol worship of Jesus all you have to do is quote Jesus when he said, “Woman, why do you call me good? None is good but God.” He also said, “I am not your master, you have drank and become drunk from the wine which I have poured out.” (This is a poetic way of saying, “I am teaching the message, I am not your savior.”
And the Christians who claim that Jesus came to bring peace have to explain what Jesus meant when he said, “I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.” Oops. And why did Jesus say, “I have more to speak to you, more than the world can now bear, but when he comes he will explain all things to you and lead you into all righteousness. He will take from what is mine and make it known to you.” And Christians say that Jesus did away with the law. But, what did Jesus say? “I have not come to abolish the law or the prophets. Nay, not a letter of the law shall be removed until you say ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of Yah.’” In fact, he even went a step further and said, “One who teaches even the least among you to break so much as one law, it would be better for him to have a weight tied around his neck and be cast into the sea.” What law was he referring to? It certainly wasn’t the law of the Torah because he rejected that law, being a Nazarene Essene. What law could it have been? All you have to know is that the Nazarene Essenes were followers of Ikhenaten and you have your answer. It is the law of enlightenment. That’s why Yeshua and Buddha taught the same exact message.

Is it a coincidence that Mashiach (Christ) means “Anointed One” and Buddha means “Awakened One”? Is it a coincidence that Yeshua taught “The Way”, Lao Tzu taught “The Tao” (The Way), Buddha taught “The Dhamma” (The Way) and Pythagoras taught “The Way”?

Judaism, Christianity AND Islam HAVE to be brought down and the religions of the East should be renewed and reformed with new terms (and no superstitions or meaningless traditions) and given to the world. Not a philosophy or a new religion but a pure way toward enlightenment (which merely means the abandonment of the false identity). 

 

By the way, what’s all this I hear about snake worship? Did that start in Egypt, too?

http://www.tbd.com/image/732.jpg

If you look at the image you will see a vulture and a snake on the forehead of King Tut’s headdress (all Pharaohs wore the snake). It wasn’t snake worship at all. The snake represented wisdom and it was placed on the frontal lobe (the same place Hindus put their dot).

Judaism, Christianity and Islam turned it into an evil thing by stealing the concept of Satan (from the Egyptian god of the desert Seti) and connecting him not only to the Serpent (a symbol of Wisdom in Egypt), but also to Lucifer (a Latin word which meant “Bearer of Light”).

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Posted: 11 January 2008 06:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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That is a lot to digest, but I can tell you that you’re just plain wrong here:

Yahsene - 11 January 2008 07:52 AM

The Bible even says that Samson had 7 Locks (not braids, LOCKS) in his hair. Locks are dreads. The real Samson was a black man (an African) and that is obvious since he supposedly wrestled with a Lion and killed it. Are there lions in Jerusalem? Lions don’t live in Palestine. They never have. Lions are in Africa.

This is excerpted from the Encyclopedia of Mammals:

“Lions were once far more widely distributed than they are today. Cave paintings and archaeological finds testify to their widespread presence in Europe some 15,000 years ago. The writings of Aristotle mention lions in Greece as recently as 300BC, and Crusaders frequently encountered lions on their journeys through the Middle East. Lions could still be found in much of the Middle East and northern India up to the turn of the century.”

Consider that both of the lions killed by Heracles were European lions. Consider also that the lions den that Daniel was thrust into was in Babylon (had you thought they’d been imported for this purpose?). St Jerome met his lion when he lived in Chalcis. So, of course there were lions in Jerusalem at the time that Samson’s myth takes place.


Also, if Samson’s locks were dreads, and he was a sub-Saharan African, how do you explain the fairy tale character of Goldilocks? Was she a dyed-blond Rastafarian who pissed of the Three Bears when she failed to pass the dutchie on the left hand side?

Locks are, and I quote from Webster’s: 1. a tress, curl, or ringlet of hair. 2. The hair of the head.

By seven locks, they just meant that his hair clumped together into seven tresses. One need not be of a sub-Saharan African origin to have ones hair tangle up into clumps.

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Posted: 11 January 2008 06:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Celsus - 11 January 2008 11:22 PM

That is a lot to digest, but I can tell you that you’re just plain wrong here:

Yahsene - 11 January 2008 07:52 AM

The Bible even says that Samson had 7 Locks (not braids, LOCKS) in his hair. Locks are dreads. The real Samson was a black man (an African) and that is obvious since he supposedly wrestled with a Lion and killed it. Are there lions in Jerusalem? Lions don’t live in Palestine. They never have. Lions are in Africa.

This is excerpted from the Encyclopedia of Mammals:

“Lions were once far more widely distributed than they are today. Cave paintings and archaeological finds testify to their widespread presence in Europe some 15,000 years ago. The writings of Aristotle mention lions in Greece as recently as 300BC, and Crusaders frequently encountered lions on their journeys through the Middle East. Lions could still be found in much of the Middle East and northern India up to the turn of the century.”

Consider that both of the lions killed by Heracles were European lions. Consider also that the lions den that Daniel was thrust into was in Babylon (had you thought they’d been imported for this purpose?). St Jerome met his lion when he lived in Chalcis. So, of course there were lions in Jerusalem at the time that Samson’s myth takes place.

Also, if Samson’s locks were dreads, and he was a sub-Saharan African, how do you explain the fairy tale character of Goldilocks? Was she a dyed-blond Rastafarian who pissed of the Three Bears when she failed to pass the dutchie on the left hand side?

Locks are, and I quote from Webster’s: 1. a tress, curl, or ringlet of hair. 2. The hair of the head.

By seven locks, they just meant that his hair clumped together into seven tresses. One need not be of a sub-Saharan African origin to have ones hair tangle up into clumps.

Lions were moved by merchants along with slaves throughout Greek and Roman times all over the world. But, they were not running wild outside of Africa.

Hercules and Samson were exaggerated tales taken from Africa about a real man. Greeks borrowed almost absolutely everything in their culture from Egypt and Babylon. This is a well known historical fact that can (and has) been proven.

Samson was said to be a Nazarite. He would have been Black. Same as Yohanan (John the Baptist) and all of the other Nazarenese and Nazarites.

They all would have looked a little somethin like this:
http://harpmagazine.com/img/news/20070830_Bob_Marley.jpg

Joke about it all ya like but the Rastafarians are right about the dreads. The only difference between the Rastas and the Nazarites and Nazarenes is that the Nazarites and Nazarenes were Vegetarians, always wore white robes, and kept 7 locks (five in the back and two in the front).

You can believe whatever you wish. That is the real history above.

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Right, merchants were moving lions into Europe 15,000 years ago, or roughly about the time Alphabetic script was being developed in Mesopotamia. Sure they were.

By the way, you do realize that slave weren’t always African, don’t you? Just because the European slave trade ended with the importing of people from Africa, that doesn’t mean that they were the only source. Slaves were usually taken from conquered people, even from Europe itself.

Your history is history as you perceive it. But just because you cannot admit when you are wrong, it doesn’t mean that you are always right.

It would take a lot more than just you asserting this for me to believe in this.

Besides, even if your “timeline” is correct, what would it prove? Just because “monistic” or “monotheistic” faiths arose in Egypt, just because it was the faith of Akhenaten, it doesn’t make it true, real, or useful. All it would make it is the first.

Akhenaten was a man, just like other men. Like all men, he was just trying to make sense of life as he knew it. And, just like all men, Akhenaten bled when he was pricked, stank when he didn’t bathe, had a good bowel movement once or twice a day, and probably had one off at the wrist when Nefertiti had a headache.

He was just a man, no more, no less. His insights were what they were, and perhaps good for their time, but trying to recover the philosophies of long dead mummies as if their wisdom is going to “save us” (from what do we need to be saved?) is a logical fallacy that you will likely have you spending a lot of time in a fruitless endeavor.

What ever he believed is as dead as he is. And it should remain so.

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Celsus - 12 January 2008 12:18 AM

Right, merchants were moving lions into Europe 15,000 years ago, or roughly about the time Alphabetic script was being developed in Mesopotamia. Sure they were.

You have proof that there were lions in Europe 15,000 years ago? I would love to see that proof. Could you provide a link, please?

By the way, you do realize that slave weren’t always African, don’t you? Just because the European slave trade ended with the importing of people from Africa, that doesn’t mean that they were the only source. Slaves were usually taken from conquered people, even from Europe itself.

I didn’t even say that the slaves were African.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

Your history is history as you perceive it. But just because you cannot admit when you are wrong, it doesn’t mean that you are always right.

Why would I admit that I am wrong? Have you proved that I am wrong? Or have you merely claimed that I am wrong? There is a difference.

It would take a lot more than just you asserting this for me to believe in this.

Yes, it would take you actually researching it for yourself, which I told you to do. I don’t care what you believe. In fact, I told you that you are welcome to believe whatever you want.

Besides, even if your “timeline” is correct, what would it prove? Just because “monistic” or “monotheistic” faiths arose in Egypt, just because it was the faith of Akhenaten, it doesn’t make it true, real, or useful. All it would make it is the first.

Akhenaten was a man, just like other men. Like all men, he was just trying to make sense of life as he knew it. And, just like all men, Akhenaten bled when he was pricked, stank when he didn’t bathe, had a good bowel movement once or twice a day, and probably had one off at the wrist when Nefertiti had a headache.

He was just a man, no more, no less. His insights were what they were, and perhaps good for their time, but trying to recover the philosophies of long dead mummies as if their wisdom is going to “save us” (from what do we need to be saved?) is a logical fallacy that you will likely have you spending a lot of time in a fruitless endeavor.

What ever he believed is as dead as he is. And it should remain so.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

I did not say that Ikhenaten and Nefertiti were divine or somehow anything more than human. I simply said that they began the revolution against cult religions and began teaching enlightenment, equality, monism, a new form of art, a new style of poetry, pacifism (Ikhenaten refused to go to war with neighboring nations unless forced into it) . . . AND he was the first that we know of to teach that the earth moves around the sun (it is written in one of his poems). One would think that Atheists who support Monism would be interested in this. Apparently not, they like the idea that Copernicus figured it out, even though Pythagoras was saying it 2,600 years ago in Greece.

Of course Ikhenaten was a man and Nefertiti was a woman. He enjoyed sex with numerous women and she bled once a month like every other woman walking this earth. What has that to do with what I said? Where did I insenuate that he was somehow beyond human? Krishna was just a man (if he existed), Mosis was just a man (if he existed), Buddha was just a man (if he existed), Lao Tzu was just a man (if he existed) and so was Pythagoras, Yeshua and Mohammed and all of those who were called prophets, sages, gurus, yogis and masters were only human (if they existed). I have never said otherwise anywhere on this site and I never would.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

Read what is written please and not what you think is hidden between the lines. I am not a Theist, stop replying to me as though I am. The point being made is VERY significant to Atheists. All of the religions were created by people who claimed to be following these men, yet all of these men taught the same message (which was anti-organized religion). Apparently you’re having trouble understanding this. Maybe I should have spelled it out more clearly, I forget other people don’t study the various religions for the sake of studying them.

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Yahun - 12 January 2008 03:08 AM
Celsus - 12 January 2008 12:18 AM

Right, merchants were moving lions into Europe 15,000 years ago, or roughly about the time Alphabetic script was being developed in Mesopotamia. Sure they were.

You have proof that there were lions in Europe 15,000 years ago? I would love to see that proof. Could you provide a link, please?

Well,I thought I had, but OK. To start, this article contains a passage from the Greek writer of travelouges, Pausanias:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9B01E4DF1E3DE433A2575BC0A9679D94649ED7CF

Here are a couple of articles on lions in Europe:
http://www.abc.net.au/beasts/factfiles/factfiles/european_lion.htm
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_087.html

On the Asiatic lion, (Panthera leopersica), which, you’ll note, still exist in the wild in Inda. (I suppose you’ll try to claim that they are african lions that were imported there along some prehistoric version of the silk road, and then proceeded to excape into the wild and form sustainable breed ing populations)
http://www.asiatic-lion.org/distrib.html
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0106/feature3/
http://wildlywise.com/asiatic_lions.htm
http://www.tigerhomes.org/animal/curriculums/asiatic-lions-pc.cfm

Just because lions are extinct in Europe, Palestine, and much of North Africa today, doesn’t mean that they never lived there.

[ Edited: 12 January 2008 09:29 AM by Celsus]
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