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Posted: 27 October 2012 08:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]  
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It’s the misunderstanding potential that alarms me.  In the US.  I’ve heard people sum her up with a simple “be selfish”.  This idea, in the most self-centered country on the planet, is a recipe for disaster.  I don’t think pouring gasoline on that fire is a good idea. 

I’m also thinking there is a middle ground to the two hypothesis you discuss - not shunning the notion of helping others, but not seeing this as mandatory, either.  Those countries that reside there tend to score highest in happiness surveys.  Good enough for me.

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Posted: 27 October 2012 09:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]  
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Ice Monkey - 27 October 2012 08:47 PM

It’s the misunderstanding potential that alarms me.  In the US.  I’ve heard people sum her up with a simple “be selfish”.  This idea, in the most self-centered country on the planet, is a recipe for disaster.  I don’t think pouring gasoline on that fire is a good idea. 

I’m also thinking there is a middle ground to the two hypothesis you discuss - not shunning the notion of helping others, but not seeing this as mandatory, either.


There’s no problem with helping others, as long as one is not sacrificing his own interests.

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Posted: 27 October 2012 09:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]  
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I can’t disagree with that.

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Posted: 04 November 2012 01:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]  
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Hello everyone.I am surprised to read all the comments one by one,I am surprised at this point “economics has effect on religious cause”.I totally disagree and i believe that all countries and all religious people have no effect and even no curse on the benefit or damage of economics.It’s totally depend on the economical condition of the region or the country.

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Posted: 04 November 2012 05:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]  
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neel - 04 November 2012 01:33 AM

Hello everyone.I am surprised to read all the comments one by one,I am surprised at this point “economics has effect on religious cause”.I totally disagree and i believe that all countries and all religious people have no effect and even no curse on the benefit or damage of economics.It’s totally depend on the economical condition of the region or the country.


You’ve made a logical mistake. You’re saying that: Religion doesn’t affect economy, because economy effects economy.


Economy is the sum of all trade transactions of a country. A trade transaction involves one person/company making something, and another person/company trading for that something.


What could affect trade transactions? People talk about supply and demand. What is that? Its people making choices. To be productive, to make a product or offer a service, in order to earn money, to trade for other things.


People. Making choices. This is the field of morality.


What affects a person choices? His ideas. His moral ideas.


What does religion offer to people? A set of moral ideas. Religions tell people how to behave. Whether or not to be productive. What to do when one is not productive. How to interact with other people that are not productive.


To understand morality properly, one must understand the concept of responsibility. So, having moral ideas that misunderstand responsibility, is a recipe for disaster. So, any moral code that gets responsibility wrong, is a bad moral code. All religions fit this description.


Who gets morality and responsibility right? Objectivism.

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Posted: 04 November 2012 05:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]  
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Rami Rustom - 04 November 2012 05:14 AM
neel - 04 November 2012 01:33 AM

Hello everyone.I am surprised to read all the comments one by one,I am surprised at this point “economics has effect on religious cause”.I totally disagree and i believe that all countries and all religious people have no effect and even no curse on the benefit or damage of economics.It’s totally depend on the economical condition of the region or the country.


You’ve made a logical mistake. You’re saying that: Religion doesn’t affect economy, because economy effects economy.


Economy is the sum of all trade transactions of a country. A trade transaction involves one person/company making something, and another person/company trading for that something.


What could affect trade transactions? People talk about supply and demand. What is that? Its people making choices. To be productive, to make a product or offer a service, in order to earn money, to trade for other things.


People. Making choices. This is the field of morality.


What affects a person choices? His ideas. His moral ideas.


What does religion offer to people? A set of moral ideas. Religions tell people how to behave. Whether or not to be productive. What to do when one is not productive. How to interact with other people that are not productive.


To understand morality properly, one must understand the concept of responsibility. So, having moral ideas that misunderstand responsibility, is a recipe for disaster. So, any moral code that gets responsibility wrong, is a bad moral code. All religions fit this description.


Who gets morality and responsibility right? Objectivism.

Hi thank you for the reply.I respect your ideas and the points you have given but i will stand on my decision and i believe that religious issues are not curse or cause of economic progress and damage.
Thanks again for your ideas.I have lean new things from here.

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Posted: 04 November 2012 06:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]  
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neel - 04 November 2012 05:47 AM
Rami Rustom - 04 November 2012 05:14 AM
neel - 04 November 2012 01:33 AM

Hello everyone.I am surprised to read all the comments one by one,I am surprised at this point “economics has effect on religious cause”.I totally disagree and i believe that all countries and all religious people have no effect and even no curse on the benefit or damage of economics.It’s totally depend on the economical condition of the region or the country.


Economy is the sum of all trade transactions of a country. A trade transaction involves one person/company making something, and another person/company trading for that something. What could affect trade transactions? People talk about supply and demand. What is that? Its people making choices. To be productive, to make a product or offer a service, in order to earn money, to trade for other things. People. Making choices. This is the field of morality. What affects a person choices? His ideas. His moral ideas.


What does religion offer to people? A set of moral ideas. Religions tell people how to behave. Whether or not to be productive. What to do when one is not productive. How to interact with other people that are not productive.


To understand morality properly, one must understand the concept of responsibility. So, having moral ideas that misunderstand responsibility, is a recipe for disaster. So, any moral code that gets responsibility wrong, is a bad moral code. All religions fit this description.


Who gets morality and responsibility right? Objectivism.

Hi thank you for the reply.I respect your ideas and the points you have given but i will stand on my decision and i believe that religious issues are not curse or cause of economic progress and damage.
Thanks again for your ideas.I have lean new things from here.


So you have no criticisms of my criticism of your idea. Yet you still believe in your idea. Why?


I’ll give an example. Islam teaches to trust the will of Allah. It teaches that all people’s wealth is already predetermined. It teaches that everything is already known by Allah. It teaches to ask Allah for help when one needs it. What does all this mean? How does a person think about things with these ideas in his mind? What does a Muslim do when he finds himself in a problematic situation? One where he’s not making much money? He prays to Allah and asks for help. Or he prays to Allah and asks to give him the strength to endure his situation. The point is that Islam teaches that Allah is responsible, not Muslims.

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Posted: 04 November 2012 06:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]  
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Rami Rustom - 04 November 2012 06:15 AM
neel - 04 November 2012 05:47 AM
Rami Rustom - 04 November 2012 05:14 AM
neel - 04 November 2012 01:33 AM

Hello everyone.I am surprised to read all the comments one by one,I am surprised at this point “economics has effect on religious cause”.I totally disagree and i believe that all countries and all religious people have no effect and even no curse on the benefit or damage of economics.It’s totally depend on the economical condition of the region or the country.


Economy is the sum of all trade transactions of a country. A trade transaction involves one person/company making something, and another person/company trading for that something. What could affect trade transactions? People talk about supply and demand. What is that? Its people making choices. To be productive, to make a product or offer a service, in order to earn money, to trade for other things. People. Making choices. This is the field of morality. What affects a person choices? His ideas. His moral ideas.


What does religion offer to people? A set of moral ideas. Religions tell people how to behave. Whether or not to be productive. What to do when one is not productive. How to interact with other people that are not productive.


To understand morality properly, one must understand the concept of responsibility. So, having moral ideas that misunderstand responsibility, is a recipe for disaster. So, any moral code that gets responsibility wrong, is a bad moral code. All religions fit this description.


Who gets morality and responsibility right? Objectivism.

Hi thank you for the reply.I respect your ideas and the points you have given but i will stand on my decision and i believe that religious issues are not curse or cause of economic progress and damage.
Thanks again for your ideas.I have lean new things from here.


So you have no criticisms of my criticism of your idea. Yet you still believe in your idea. Why?


I’ll give an example. Islam teaches to trust the will of Allah. It teaches that all people’s wealth is already predetermined. It teaches that everything is already known by Allah. It teaches to ask Allah for help when one needs it. What does all this mean? How does a person think about things with these ideas in his mind? What does a Muslim do when he finds himself in a problematic situation? One where he’s not making much money? He prays to Allah and asks for help. Or he prays to Allah and asks to give him the strength to endure his situation. The point is that Islam teaches that Allah is responsible, not Muslims.

Allah is almighty and he is responsible not the Muslim.But here is one word goes if you don’t try to change your luck by hard labor than Allah can’t help that person.If we pray for the fate changes or give me wealth and we don’t try to make it with our own labor than Allah can’t help us.That’s my point and i told in this sense that “religion has no effect on Economics”.Yes in other point you can say Allah helps those people who worked hard and in this sense “religion has effect “
For those who worked hard and Allah helps them.
Thank you for your criticisms.

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Posted: 04 November 2012 06:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]  
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neel - 04 November 2012 06:28 AM
Rami Rustom - 04 November 2012 06:15 AM
neel - 04 November 2012 05:47 AM
Rami Rustom - 04 November 2012 05:14 AM
neel - 04 November 2012 01:33 AM

Hello everyone.I am surprised to read all the comments one by one,I am surprised at this point “economics has effect on religious cause”.I totally disagree and i believe that all countries and all religious people have no effect and even no curse on the benefit or damage of economics.It’s totally depend on the economical condition of the region or the country.


Economy is the sum of all trade transactions of a country. A trade transaction involves one person/company making something, and another person/company trading for that something. What could affect trade transactions? People talk about supply and demand. What is that? Its people making choices. To be productive, to make a product or offer a service, in order to earn money, to trade for other things. People. Making choices. This is the field of morality. What affects a person choices? His ideas. His moral ideas.


What does religion offer to people? A set of moral ideas. Religions tell people how to behave. Whether or not to be productive. What to do when one is not productive. How to interact with other people that are not productive.


To understand morality properly, one must understand the concept of responsibility. So, having moral ideas that misunderstand responsibility, is a recipe for disaster. So, any moral code that gets responsibility wrong, is a bad moral code. All religions fit this description.


Who gets morality and responsibility right? Objectivism.

Hi thank you for the reply.I respect your ideas and the points you have given but i will stand on my decision and i believe that religious issues are not curse or cause of economic progress and damage.
Thanks again for your ideas.I have lean new things from here.


So you have no criticisms of my criticism of your idea. Yet you still believe in your idea. Why?


I’ll give an example. Islam teaches to trust the will of Allah. It teaches that all people’s wealth is already predetermined. It teaches that everything is already known by Allah. It teaches to ask Allah for help when one needs it. What does all this mean? How does a person think about things with these ideas in his mind? What does a Muslim do when he finds himself in a problematic situation? One where he’s not making much money? He prays to Allah and asks for help. Or he prays to Allah and asks to give him the strength to endure his situation. The point is that Islam teaches that Allah is responsible, not Muslims.

Allah is almighty and he is responsible not the Muslim.But here is one word goes if you don’t try to change your luck by hard labor than Allah can’t help that person.If we pray for the fate changes or give me wealth and we don’t try to make it with our own labor than Allah can’t help us.That’s my point and i told in this sense that “religion has no effect on Economics”.Yes in other point you can say Allah helps those people who worked hard and in this sense “religion has effect “
For those who worked hard and Allah helps them.
Thank you for your criticisms.


You misunderstand responsibility, thus you misunderstand morality. As does everyone who believes that God is responsible for human choices and the consequences of their choices.

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Posted: 15 May 2013 01:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]  
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Religion has a large effect on any economy.  I can think of many examples, but the most significant is that any place where women are legally prevented from participating on any economic activity -education, employment, driving- due to religious taboos is willingly sacrificing a good portion of their GDP in the altar of their preferred faith.

 

 

 

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