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Letter to an Atheist by Michael Patrick Leahy
Posted: 08 November 2012 10:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 691 ]  
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I guess the one thing we all can agree on is that Christians don’t agree amongst themselves on some basic stuff.  Good point, and thanks for the reminder.

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Posted: 21 November 2012 07:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 692 ]  
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Every Christian in Texas believes the earth is 6,000 years old. Those that might not believe that would not risk the ridicule of the majority that do. (Maybe a little exaggeration, but not much) Go to any Christian school in Texas and I guarantee you that you will not find a teacher that does not believe in a 6,000 year old earth. It is pathetic.


PS My wife is Christian and my son is in a Christian school. She and all her friends staunchly believe in a 6,000 year old earth and do not want to be “confused by the facts”.

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Posted: 21 November 2012 07:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 693 ]  
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Rami said “The rest of the atheists realize that morality is objective. And Christianity also holds this view. So why is Christianity so bad? Its not. But, if you compare it to Objectivism, its really really really bad. Today, Objectivism is the best moral philosophy. No religion or philosophy even comes close.”


This is not true Christianity does not believe morality is objective. Far from it, whatever God says is moral, is moral.


“Gods ways are not our ways!”  Ask Job!  LOL

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Posted: 22 November 2012 05:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 694 ]  
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GenerousGeorge - 21 November 2012 07:45 PM

Rami said “The rest of the atheists realize that morality is objective. And Christianity also holds this view. So why is Christianity so bad? Its not. But, if you compare it to Objectivism, its really really really bad. Today, Objectivism is the best moral philosophy. No religion or philosophy even comes close.”


This is not true Christianity does not believe morality is objective. Far from it, whatever God says is moral, is moral.


“Gods ways are not our ways!”  Ask Job!  LOL


But God is left out of most moral questions. And Christians, at least today’s Christians, believe in the Golden Rule. This is a objective moral idea. (Though its flawed, its still objective.)

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Posted: 22 November 2012 08:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 695 ]  
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God is not left out of the moral issue, he provides all, unquestionable morality in his literal, perfect word, the Bible.


If you don’t understand that, you are ignorant of the basis of Christianity.

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Posted: 22 November 2012 08:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 696 ]  
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GenerousGeorge - 22 November 2012 08:23 AM

God is not left out of the moral issue, he provides all, unquestionable morality in his literal, perfect word, the Bible.

But God does not have answers to every decision. Do you agree?


So what are Christians to do? How do you they figure out which option is the moral decision if God did not dictate it? What they do is apply moral principles. Like what? Like their Golden Rule. And the Golden Rule is a moral principle that is objective, not subjective. Do you agree?


Here’s an explanation of moral objectivism by wikipedia: [It] is the meta-ethical position that some system of ethics, or a universal ethic, applies universally, that is, for “all similarly situated individuals”,[1] regardless of culture, race, sex, religion, nationality, sexuality, or any other distinguishing feature.


Do you agree that today’s Christianity is consistent with that description?

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Posted: 22 November 2012 08:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 697 ]  
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Christians believe God has every answer. I believe the Christian “God” and others are imaginary.

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Posted: 22 November 2012 08:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 698 ]  
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GenerousGeorge - 22 November 2012 08:45 AM

Christians believe God has every answer.


Do Christians believe that *they* can have that answer (that God has)?


If so, do you mean *all* Christians believe that?

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Posted: 22 November 2012 08:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 699 ]  
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Since the Bible has so much imaginary stuff in it, most Christians use “Gods name in vain”, by taking whatever passage they happen to agree with and promoting it as Gods “truth”.

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Posted: 22 November 2012 09:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 700 ]  
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GenerousGeorge - 22 November 2012 08:55 AM

Since the Bible has so much imaginary stuff in it, most Christians use “Gods name in vain”, by taking whatever passage they happen to agree with and promoting it as Gods “truth”.

So do you still believe this?

GenerousGeorge - 22 November 2012 08:55 AM

This is not true Christianity does not believe morality is objective.

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Posted: 22 November 2012 03:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 701 ]  
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I say again, Christians believe morality comes directly from Gods literal word. They subjectively interpret Gods word, but will deny that with their last breath.

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Posted: 22 November 2012 04:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 702 ]  
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GenerousGeorge - 22 November 2012 03:50 PM

I say again, Christians believe morality comes directly from Gods literal word. They subjectively interpret Gods word, but will deny that with their last breath.


Since you haven’t contradicted me, and you haven’t answered my questions, and you haven’t addressed my criticisms, I take it that you agree with me.

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Posted: 22 November 2012 04:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 703 ]  
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Whatever, please yourself.

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Posted: 03 January 2013 03:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 704 ]  
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This is a response to the first post….. look at the stats: http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/Evolution-Creationism-Intelligent-Design.aspx

Sam Harris is correct.

Go home.

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Posted: 03 January 2013 03:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 705 ]  
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Michael Patrick Leahy - 11 April 2007 02:20 PM

Sam,

I've just written another response to Letter to a Christian Nation.

In it, I document your intellectual dishonesty, starting with the following big lie you keep telling:

“ Half of the American population believes that the universe is 6,000 years old.”

The evidence suggests that, at a maximum, only 18% of Americans, not 50% as Harris recklessly claims, might arguably be said to believe the universe is only 6,000 years old. And even that 18% might not completely agree with the 6,000 year figure. ...

For the entire article which demonstrates how you completely misrepresent the Gallup Polling information, as well as the percentage of Americans who are "young creationists" , you can go to http://www.lettertoanatheist.com/biglie.html

For the entire book you may go to http://www.lettertoanatheist.com

I hereby challenge you to a debate. When and where ?

well… here’s the stats: http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/Evolution-Creationism-Intelligent-Design.aspx

Sam Harris is correct

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