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Objective and verifiable proof of the divine origin of Quran
Posted: 29 March 2009 06:24 AM   [ Ignore ]  
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89:1   By the Dawn
89:2   And the Ten Nights
89:3   And the Even and the Odd
89:4   And the night when it departs
89:5   Is there not in it strong evidence for one possessed of understanding?

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The Quran has 114 Chapters (or Sura’s). Two numbers can be associated with each Sura, S and V.

S = Serial number of the Sura
V = Number of verses in the Sura

Sum of all S = 1+2+3+...+114 = 6555   (We call this T1 )

Sum of all V = Number of verses in the Quran = 6236 (We call this T2)

 

No. of Sura’s with an even serial no.  = 57
(We call this SE group)

No. of Sura’s with an odd serial no. = 57
(We call this SO group)

No of Sura’s with even number of verses = 60
(We call this the VE group)

No of Sura’s with odd number of verses = 54
(We call this the VO group)


A Sura having S and V both even or both odd is a homogeneous sura ( We call this HM group)

A Sura having S even but V odd or vice versa is a hetrogeneous sura (We call this HT group)


AMAZING FACTS
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1. Both HM and HT contain exactly 57 suras!

2. Sum of all serial numbers (S) and verse count (V) of HM sura’s = 6555 = T1 !!

3. Sum of all serial numbers (S) and verse count (V) of HT sura’s = 6236 = T2 !!

Nothing in maths dictate that above three should be true.
For example, if the first Sura contained 8 or 6 verses instead of 7 none of the above 3 would be true.

T1 has nothing to do with number of verses (V) and T2 has nothing to do with order of the Sura’s (S)


We can further divide the VE group (Sura’s having even number of verses) depending on whether their serial no
is even ( VE_SE group ) or odd (VE_SO group )

and similarly the VO group depending on whether their serial no is even
(VO_SE) or odd (VO_SO)


AMAZING FACTS
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1.  Both VE_SE and VE_SO contain exactly 30 Sura’s !!

  in other words no. of sura’s with even no. of verses and even serials are equal to the no. of sura’s with even verses but odd serials. They didn’t have to be but they are!

2. Both VO_SE and VO_SO contain exactly 27 Sura’s !!

They didn’t have to be but they are!


Lets divide the Qur’anic Suras with regard to numbers into two equal halves:
1 to 57 and 58 to 114. There would be obviously 28 even serial-numbered Suras in the first half of the Holy Qur’an and thus 29 odd serial-numbered ones.
In the second half there are 28 odd serial-numbered Suras and thus 29 even serial-numbered ones.


AMAZING FACTS
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1. There are 28 HM Suras in the first half and 29 HT ones !!
2. There are 29 HM Suras in the second half and 28 HT ones !!

They didn’t have to be but they are!

There are 27 VE Sura’s in the first half of the Quran so the remaining 33 (since they are 60 ) are in the second half
The sum of the number of verses in the first 27 VE Sura’s = 2690


AMAZING FACT
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The sum of the serial numbers of the 33 VE Sura’s in the second half is also 2690 !!

It didn’t have to be but it is!

 

Sura 57 is Al-Hadid (Iron), which marks the end of the first half of the Qur’anic Suras. It has 29 verses. If we multiply the serial number of the Sura by the number of verses it contains, the result is 29×57=1653

AMAZING FACT
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The total number of the serial number of Suras 1-57, i.e. 1+2+3+...+57 = 1653 !!

It didn’t have to be but it is!


CONCLUSIONS
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1. It is absurd to assert that this mathematical configuration occurred by chance.

2. It is equally absurd to state that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) either alone or along with his companions painstakingly created this configuration for the following reasons.

a. No Muslim knew of this until the twentieth century. It is not mentioned
anywhere, any time and in any book whatsoever. And if the Prophet did it
then why did he hide it?

b. Quran is a literary masterpiece and challanges the Arabs to match it in style, eloquence etc. Humans dont write poetry with Math in mind!

c. In 23 years Muhammad (pbuh) and his companions brought the greatest revolution in human history. Where would they get the time for this?

From 1 and 2 the only reasonable conclution is that this Book IS the divine revelation as claimed by the Book itself and the person who presented it to the world

Other conclusions drawn from this

1. The Quran is perfectly preserved. Nothing is added, removed or its order changed.

2. The number of verses in each Sura is also a revelation.

3. The issues under discussion are contemporary discoveries and thus the Qur’anic miracle appears in a new form. We should note that the world of numbers is the world of facts and that its language is of greater clarity and decisiveness.


4.  These findings destroy the attempts of the orientalists to doubt the serial order of the Scripture

5.  Such research might serve as a key to studies that deal with Qur’anic text far from merely its historical aspect, which is utilized by people of falsehood for distortion and disturbance. Of course, we do not intend to
overlook the historical aspect, but we add it as a separate proof.


6.  The reader will note that the matter is based on investigation rather than independent judgement. Therefore, there is no room for rejecting or denying it unless more accurate calculation proves the error of the results.

Here is the data for any one to verify

    S   V
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    1   7
    2   286
    3   200
    4   176
    5   120
    6   165
    7   206
    8   75
    9   129
    10   109
    11   123
    12   111
    13   43
    14   52
    15   99
    16   128
    17   111
    18   110
    19   98
    20   135
    21   112
    22   78
    23   118
    24   64
    25   77
    26   227
    27   93
    28   88
    29   69
    30   60
    31   34
    32   30
    33   73
    34   54
    35   45
    36   83
    37   182
    38   88
    39   75
    40   85
    41   54
    42   53
    43   89
    44   59
    45   37
    46   35
    47   38
    48   29
    49   18
    50   45
    51   60
    52   49
    53   62
    54   55
    55   78
    56   96
    57   29
    58   22
    59   24
    60   13
    61   14
    62   11
    63   11
    64   18
    65   12
    66   12
    67   30
    68   52
    69   52
    70   44
    71   28
    72   28
    73   20
    74   56
    75   40
    76   31
    77   50
    78   40
    79   46
    80   42
    81   29
    82   19
    83   36
    84   25
    85   22
    86   17
    87   19
    88   26
    89   30
    90   20
    91   15
    92   21
    93   11
    94   8
    95   8
    96   19
    97   5
    98   8
    99   8
    100   11
    101   11
    102   8
    103   3
    104   9
    105   5
    106   4
    107   7
    108   3
    109   6
    110   3
    111   5
    112   4
    113   5
    114   6

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Posted: 29 March 2009 07:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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I think you have an interesting theory here, Zit Boy.

I am trying, in my own inept way, to do something similar.

I live on a farm and my family has for generations been pig-breeders.
One of our sows had a litter of piglets who all behaved very differently from the others that I have seen, so I became curious.

On a whim, I took it upon myself to paint the image of Mohammed on one of the piglets rear-end, in such a fashion that His mouth was exactly located where the piglet’s anus was and, lo and behold, now, when the cute little piglet defecates, the sound it makes is remarkably similar to the first 3 Suras in the Quran, when recited by an inebriated Scotsman with a lisp speaking French.

Isn’t that amazing!

And very scientific too.

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Posted: 29 March 2009 07:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Have you dicky-sticked your promised 9-year old yet, zit boy?

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Posted: 29 March 2009 07:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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ZB, you need to read ‘Why I Am Not A Muslim’ by ex-Muslim scholar Ibn Warraq. Especially his very long section on the Koran.

You will understand in short order why this book, possibly above all others, is not divine.

It is a complete sham.

Good luck.

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Posted: 29 March 2009 06:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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McCreason - 29 March 2009 11:48 AM

ZB, you need to read ‘Why I Am Not A Muslim’ by ex-Muslim scholar Ibn Warraq. Especially his very long section on the Koran.

You will understand in short order why this book, possibly above all others, is not divine.

It is a complete sham.

Good luck.

Leave aside subjective issues/arguments and try of focus on the evidence I’ve posted and the proof I’ve constructed which is objective, easily verifiable and logical. There are three possibilities for this mathematical configuration

1. Chance
2. Human work
3. Super human (or divine) work.

I’ve shown that 1 and 2 are not possible which only leaves us with 3.

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Posted: 29 March 2009 07:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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Zit Boy - 29 March 2009 10:45 PM
McCreason - 29 March 2009 11:48 AM

ZB, you need to read ‘Why I Am Not A Muslim’ by ex-Muslim scholar Ibn Warraq. Especially his very long section on the Koran.

You will understand in short order why this book, possibly above all others, is not divine.

It is a complete sham.

Good luck.

Leave aside subjective issues/arguments and try of focus on the evidence I’ve posted and the proof I’ve constructed which is objective, easily verifiable and logical. There are three possibilities for this mathematical configuration

1. Chance
2. Human work
3. Super human (or divine) work.

I’ve shown that 1 and 2 are not possible which only leaves us with 3.

All you’ve shown is that your a fool!

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Posted: 30 March 2009 06:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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The first thing to understand is that there is no such thing as THE Quran or Koran.

There are 7 versions and scholars even break those down into 14 versions because each of the 7 have 2 different transmitters.

These books are all different and all terribly flawed.

ZB, your mathematics means nothing. You are being duped dude.

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Posted: 30 March 2009 07:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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McCreason - 30 March 2009 10:38 AM

The first thing to understand is that there is no such thing as THE Quran or Koran.

There are 7 versions and scholars even break those down into 14 versions because each of the 7 have 2 different transmitters.

These books are all different and all terribly flawed.

ZB, your mathematics means nothing. You are being duped dude.

Your being generous by calling it mathematics….... What are the statics of odd and even e.g. heads and tails, equal. 114 = 57 odd and 57 even, what are the odds, pretty fucking good!!

This link is much easier to read, and therefore laugh at:

http://www.quranmiracles.com/19/19read.asp?id=38

Here is one reply I found on the web:

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009/02/miracles-of-quran-part-2-numerical.html

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Posted: 30 March 2009 08:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Thanks Gad. Lies, statistics and damned lies, or however the phrase goes. grin

I am waiting to here how Edgar Cayce and Nostradamus predicted this!

Some people are just always looking for miracles.

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Posted: 30 March 2009 08:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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It’s not surprising that a person who wants to believe in something would welcome the common coincidences of numerology. If one has the time to look, one can find mathematical coincidences in nearly anything. Pharmaceuticals have experts who glean studies to find the right slant for their positions and products. The above math coincidences are not even particularly surprising or interesting unless you are trying to find a way to convince yourself that your cherished beliefs have some validity despite your nagging doubts. This is nothing but confirmation bias.

Why does an almighty creator (peas be upon her) need to rely on cheap math tricks to “prove” its existence? Why does a deity need people to do its bidding? Why doesn’t he (or she, or they) just appear in the clouds and juggle cats or something like that?

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Posted: 30 March 2009 09:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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Yeah, I think thats the main point Beam. It always has to be some kind of an easter egg hunt. The Korans, with it’s derivatives, (ooh, bad word these days grin) has so many obvious flaws and contradictions and absurdities that people have sunk to new lows to try and prove it’s authenticity and divinity. It’s beyond ridiculous.

Michael Shermer disproved one of those hidden bible codes in his book ‘How We Believe’, but this nonsense never ends. Those who have chosen to believe will always find ways to believe. It seems beyond them to understand the simple psychology of this. They choose numbers, miracles, prophecies as priori, and then look for ways to explain them and justify them. Skepticism and critical thinking is yet beyond them. Perhaps zit boy is young and has time to recover, but many never figure it out, sadly.

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Posted: 30 March 2009 11:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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“1. It is absurd to assert that this mathematical configuration occurred by chance.

Nope.

The probability that any particular text will show SOME sort of “mathematical” configuration is close to 100%
Which particular configuration happens to occur in a particular work is devoid of interest.


So, what was your point again?

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Posted: 30 March 2009 12:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Beam - 30 March 2009 12:43 PM

Why doesn’t he (or she, or they) just appear in the clouds and juggle cats or something like that?

LOL

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Posted: 30 March 2009 01:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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LOL Aaron. I worship all cat/dog jugglers!!!!

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Posted: 30 March 2009 02:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]  
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Aaron, you are an evil infidel! I love it! I never considered the possibility that god was a preteen girl. Btw, aren’t those Boston terriers?

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McC - I didn’t even realize those were dogs until I looked again. I was in a rush, and the pic came up on a google search for juggling cats.

Beam, thanks! They may be Boston terriers. I’m not sure. I had a dream when I was kid that God was a plump pre-teen girl in a plaid dress who hovered against the low ceiling of a refurbished basement (“rumpus room”) like a helium balloon. A very 70s and very boring God.

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