Ok I don’t know where to start but here goes.. Firstly I got my information on vitamin C from Wikipedia not Quackwatch. Also I was not aware that Stephen Barrett was revealed in court to not be a Medical Board Certified psychiatrist because he had failed the certification exam. I just did I google search on him just then.
Hey, don’t take it personally. I am actually impressed with your frank acknowledgment of where you got the information from. And I am glad you googled to find out more.
Although the guy himself has a damaged reputation, can you disprove what he said about colloidal silver? I’m sure that there are still many people out there who make false health claims about colloidal silver, Echinacea, squid’s cartilage, deer velvet and so on.
Yes, it’s a jungle out there. Blame it on capitalism.
For big pharma to get a drug approved they must submit themselves to the ordeal of being tested. Alternative medicine either cannot be tested, refuses to be tested or has been tested and shown to consistently fail tests.
I am a little tired of this argument. Legitimate part of the alternative-whatever-you-want-to-call it business begs to be regulated. Big Pharma which controls FDA doesn’t want to hear about it. They don’t want to hear about anything that could add legitimacy to the alternative business. Their goal is to shut them down ... and shut down your access to anything that is cheap, works and cannot be patented.
I think Richard Dawkins put it best when he said in his book ‘A Devil’s Chaplain’
‘The alternative medicine business in Britain has a turnover measured in billions of pounds. Perhaps some small fraction of the profits generated by these medicines could be diverted into testing whether they actually work. This, after all, is what ‘orthodox’ pharmaceutical companies are expected to do. Could it be that purveyors of alternative medicine know all too well what the upshot of properly conducted trials would be? If so, their reluctance to fund their own nemesis is all too understandable.’
I knew that Richard Dawkins was a big mouth hungry for fame. Still, I thought better of him before you disclose to me his involvement in alternative business bashing.
So instead of Big Pharma what you have is Big Bullshit!
Yes, I have heard the saying ‘There’s no such thing as a free lunch.’ But in this case I would liken a lunch from the alternative medicine industry as having no nutritional value.
It’s a Big Bullshit when you believe the sales pitch. In a capitalist system you are not supposed to believe anything your hear from a salesman.
I wish that you would subject the alternative medicine industry to the same scrutiny that you do pharma and argribusiness.
Alternative medicine industry is only annoying. Big Pharma and agribusiness are dangerous.
Oh, to think how terrible the Green Revolution was! Feeding all those poor hungry people!
Despite all those terrible, terrible things that Big Pharma and Agribusiness has been doing it is truly remarkable that life expectancy has gone up dramatically over the last hundred years. Don’t you think?
I don’t. 50+ years of “helping” the developing nations resulted in land and soil destruction, driving local farmers to poverty and the nations to debt impossible to repay. Luckily, we have the signs of awakening with scientists from India and other emerging nations leading the revolt. About a year ago UN adopted a resolution stating that sustainable agriculture based on marriage between traditional farming methods with modern science and not PKN + pesticides + GMO mentality are the way to go. The response from the agribusiness and chemical companies? They “boycotted” the UN conference. That India is leading the revolt is no surprise as it was one of the biggest victims of the green revolution.
I hope that you don’t actually believe this. Do you really think that doctors want to keep their patients sick?
You are right. I didn’t intend to insult doctors. Only the system and its propaganda machine.
Look, you are a lot older than I am which means that it is more likely that you will soon need medical care simply because many illnesses are age related. If you need a prostate exam, good luck getting one from your coach!
I had prostate problems before I turned forty. I call myself fortunate for not trying chemical drugs or surgery. After years of searching and trying different things today I keep myself (and my prostate) perfectly happy with one tablet a day of plant extracts delivered by alternative business company and modern science. It is cheap, too, as the soy source is used instead of more costly saw palmetto.
I can understand your perspective because you grew up in this system and you don’t know anything better. On the other hand when I was growing up the pharmacies were selling what now is known as “alternative” along with chemical drugs, and the doctors were prescribing whatever was most appropriate, “alternative” or not. Scientific studies on mineral content of soil and how it affects human health or contributes to endemic diseases were commonplace and nobody would think about killing the research on drinking water just because it could endanger the profits of some industry. Imagine my shock when I learned that in our system economy and job losses are more important than human health and therefore killing inconvenient research is justified. By the way, haven’t you learned already that our criticism of BP must be balanced with concerns about job losses and impact on shareholders?
Finally a word on vitamin C. Dig a little deeper and discover for yourself the wonders of this simple antioxidant. Industry thinks that by shifting the debate to demonstrate how ineffective vitamin C is in preventing the common cold they will manage to kill the public interest in the vitamin and get rid of inconvenient competition to their worthless drugs. Yet, the medical applications of vitamin C are many and amazing. Doctors can save lives by injecting vitamin C (as supportive treatment) in cases of acute allergic reactions to different poisons. There are studies demonstrating that vitamin C supplements provide 100% effective prevention from Sudden Death Syndrome in babies. In spite of the heavy propaganda the public knows that smokers and marathoners benefit from vitamin C supplementation far exceeding the RDA. Finally, I am in peace with my addiction to vitamin C because runners and coaches I respect recommend it based on their personal experience.
Regarding my age I am currently more concerned about how to improve my performance in road and cross country races than I am with medical check-ups. I haven’t had one in the past 30 years and I can sleep in peace with that knowledge. Besides, I had some forced exposure to American medical services and it has been all bad. A year ago I slipped when running on the icy path in the park and had a bad cut on my head. I lost a lot of blood and was a little dizzy with the experience, true, but all I needed were several stitches. I didn’t ask for and I didn’t expect that in the local hospital the first thing they did was to give me ct scan. I was mad when I learned about the cost of ct scan to taxpayers. I was mad when I learned how much unnecessary radiation I was exposed to. I was mad again when on the radio doctors where shifting the blame for excessive ct scans on patients “who demand it”. I certainly didn’t.
Two years ago I had a case of shingles. I thought, what the heck, let’s go to see a doctor, maybe he will give me something to relieve the pain. So I went to the doctor’s office and said that I had shingles. “Who diagnosed you?”, the doctor asked. “I did it myself” - I replied - “which is not that difficult if you have some basic knowledge and know how to search the internet”. The doctor was seemingly unhappy with the “difficult patient” but couldn’t deny that I indeed suffered from a case of shingles. I got the prescription and made a mistake of actually buying the drug before going on the internet to find the facts about it. What I found horrified me. I threw the drug away determined to put up with not so bad shingles pain rather than risk suffering some of the drug side effects.
And thanks for bringing the money subject. Please, pass my thoughts on it to Richard Dawkins. My misadventures with established medicine in the past two years cost me and taxpayers more than $3,000. I doubt if I spent that much in the past 10 years on alternative stuff. I got some benefits from the alternative supplements I bought and none from whatever the established medicine charged me for (sorry, I needed those stitches). Instead of getting excited about the money “uneducated” public spends on alternative medicine Richard Dawkins should meditate on the fact that the leading chemical drug companies make more money than the GDP of entire nations. At your and mine expense.