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      <title>Judaism&#8217;s Obligation to Yiddish</title>
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      <published>2013-04-12T00:16:56Z</published>
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      <author><name>Krishnaji</name></author>
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        <p>&nbsp;   &#8220;Outwitting History&#8221; made me think that Hitler gains one more victory whenever we fail to support the voice of the Holocaust dead: Yiddish. We kill a child (even if we do no physical harm to that child) IF we yell at the child, &#8220;Shut up!&#8221; How can we say to the victims of Hitler&#8230;Shut up! So I hope we keep alive Yiddish and go on listening and listening.</p>
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      <title>I&#8217;m in need of some good arguments.</title>
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      <published>2012-10-02T08:25:43Z</published>
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        <p>Me and my significant other have been together for almost 4 years.</p>

<p>We both are against Religion and denounce the existence of some divine plan. However, his family is of a jewish background.<br />
He recently took a college course at georgetown, focusing on religious history.</p>

<p>He&#8217;s starting to really enjoy reading the Torah, and joined a &#8216;cultural&#8217; jewish movement group at his college that hosts luncheons preaching about jewish history and its importance ect.<br />
And he&#8217;s also stated that he really likes his jewish background and wants to participate.</p>

<p>We&#8217;ve had arguments over how outrageously stupid I think this is, and I told him he is dumbing himself down.</p>

<p>He responds by saying &#8220;What is wrong with Judaism? Judaism has always been the religion that has been targeted of violence not creating it. What is wrong with wanting to be involved with the Culture? So what if I want to do yakimpoor, shabbat, passover ect.? Religion, especially Judaism, isn&#8217;t as bad as some people make it out to be&#8221;.</p>

<p>I&#8217;ve never been a debater, and I&#8217;m not well versed in the torah either. But what I do know, is that I despise religion greatly, because of so many reasons that you guys probably know better than me.</p>

<p>What types of arguments can I present to him? Any scenario&#8217;s showing how Judaism is no different then any other religion? Any verbal ammunition to be able to debate with him and possibly convince him would be much help.</p>

<p>thanks.<br />
EDIT: I know this isn&#8217;t a relationship counseling forum, mainly just looking for good arguments and points.</p>


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    <entry>
      <title>A few beefs with Judaism</title>
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      <published>2010-10-08T17:49:43Z</published>
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      <author><name>Jeff M</name></author>
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        <p>First let me say that Sam Harris rocks.&nbsp; I just started reading the The Moral Landscape last night after catching his post on HuffingtonPost.com.&nbsp; I had already dismissed all religions, and I thought my insights in this area were advanced, but now I see I was just cracking the surface with my intuition.</p>

<p>Since Sam has mainly used Christian and Muslim examples (at least what I have read so far) of spreading questionable morals (I agree with him on these examples) I would like to point out what I think are the biggest moral shortcomings of dogmatic Judaism:</p>

<p>1.&nbsp; Gods Chosen People</p>

<p>Rabi&#8217;s and other follower of Judaism must simply stop this non-sense.&nbsp; I believe it causes the followers to devalue other people.&nbsp; There is no rational basis for this claim.</p>

<p>2.&nbsp; Give me my homeland back</p>

<p>Sorry, this does not scale and therefore not rational and infringes on others well-being.</p>

<p>3.&nbsp; Eye for an Eye</p>

<p>This is a terrible idea and leads to the Hatfield and McCoy syndrome.&nbsp; Again it is not rational and does not lead to human well-being.</p>
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      <title>Sam Harris according to Orthodox Judaism</title>
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      <published>2009-10-04T22:26:36Z</published>
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      <author><name>Daat Emet</name></author>
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        <p>A Jew is defined by Orthodox Judaism as a person born to a jewish mother only(according to other jews it includes the family too), and since his mother was jewish he is considered a jewish even according to the most strict religious sects of judaism. </p>

<p>Sam Harris is therefore defined by jewish religious law as &#8220;Apiqoros&#8221; (the religious term for &#8220;Atheist&#8221; or basically anyone who holds a philosophical viewpoint which contradicts the jewish religion specifically). An &#8220;Apiqoros&#8221; is a name taken from the name of Epicurus who first raied the question of the problem of evil, and in our days many jews have in fact raised that question after the holocaust.</p>

<p>And according to Maimonides an &#8220;Apiqoros&#8221; must be killed. and why orthodox rabbi&#8217;s arn&#8217;t ordering to kill all jewish atheists? (except for neturei karta and other very extreme fundamentalists)<br />
the answer is quite obvious, they can&#8217;t, because reality will smite them. <img src="smile.gif" width="19" height="19" alt="smile" style="border:0;" /></p>
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      <title>Why Israel must become a secular state</title>
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      <published>2009-09-28T18:57:31Z</published>
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      <author><name>Daat Emet</name></author>
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        <p>The History of European Secularism to repeat itself in the &#8220;Holy Land&#8221; for a better future and without the possibility religionists with nuclear bombs:<br />
<a href="http://www.samharris.org/?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.haaretz.com%2Fhasen%2Fspages%2F1117378.html">http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1117378.html</a></p>

<p>&#8220;The demand for secularization should be supported by all religious Israelis, because it is no less in their interest than it is in that of secular Jews.&#8221;</p>

<p>Long live critical thought! <img src="smile.gif" width="19" height="19" alt="smile" style="border:0;" /></p>
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    <entry>
      <title>Flying Rabbis to the rescue</title>
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      <published>2009-08-12T20:18:44Z</published>
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        <p>This is just too funny.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.samharris.org/?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fricharddawkins.net%2Farticle%2C4161%2CFlying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu%2CBBC-News">http://richarddawkins.net/article,4161,Flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu,BBC-News</a></p>

<p>Rabbis and Kabbalah mystics recite prayers to ward off swine flu</p>

<p>A group of rabbis and Jewish mystics have taken to the skies over Israel, praying and blowing ceremonial horns in a plane to ward off swine flu.</p>

<p>About 50 religious leaders circled over the country on Monday, chanting prayers and blowing horns, called shofars. </p>

<p>The flight&#8217;s aim was &#8220;to stop the pandemic so people will stop dying from it&#8221;, Rabbi Yitzhak Batzri was quoted as saying in Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper. </p>

<p>The flu is often called simply &#8220;H1N1&#8221; in Israel, as pigs are seen as unclean. </p>

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According to Israel&#8217;s health ministry, there have been more than 2,000 cases of swine flu in the country, with five fatalities so far. </p>

<p>&#8220;We are certain that, thanks to the prayer, the danger is already behind us,&#8221; added Mr Batzri was quoted as saying. </p>

<p>Television footage showed rabbis in black hats rocking backwards and forwards as they read prayers from Kabbalah, a form of Jewish mysticism which counts the singer Madonna among its devotees. </p>

<p>The shofar is the horn of a ram, and is used to mark major religious occasions in Judaism.</p>
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      <title>Money&#45;Laundering Rabiis</title>
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      <published>2009-07-24T16:47:03Z</published>
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      <author><name>Wotansson</name></author>
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        <p>Did everyone see the events up in New Joisey? I wish some priests and ministers had been involved so I could have posted this in the more general religion category.</p>

<p><i>I find that religion fails to inspire any morality in the people and serves chiefly to make us unfriendly to one another</i>.</p>

<p>- Benjamin Franklin</p>

<p>Ves Heill<br />
Wotansson</p>
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    <entry>
      <title>Blatant bigotry</title>
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      <published>2009-06-10T17:10:35Z</published>
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        <p>During a recent visit to the National Museum of the United States Air Force on Wright-Patterson Air Force Base near Dayton, OH I found something that initially gave me hope. It is interesting that a federal installation is hosting a Holocaust display although this is well outside of the mission of the U.S. Air Force and the NMUSAF. I hoped that the tremendous sacrifices of all the civilians from various nations who lost their lives in the genocides of the 20th Century would be so honored with their own large and elaborate displays. In World War II alone there were eleven million Soviet civilians who lost their lives. Many of them starved to death in their bombed out cities which had been turned into veritable death camps while under siege by German troops. There are also the sixteen million Chinese civilians who died during the same conflict. Many of these people were tortured and massacred in operations such as the Rape of Nanking. My hope turned to dismay as I continued my tour of this Air Force installations museum. It appears that the U.S. Air Force suffers from a serious case of bigotry. The lives of six million Jewish people warrant an entire display whereas the deaths of eleven million Soviet people and sixteen million Chinese people who died under equally appalling conditions does not even receive a whisper. With losses two and three times larger it would seem that one would expect a display of equal size at a minimum. In reality adequately telling the story of the Soviet and Chinese losses would require displays much larger than the Holocaust display.</p>

<p>Where too are the displays near the World War I gallery? The total deaths for that conflict reached sixteen million. There were over two million civilian deaths from the Ottoman Empire and one and a half million civilian deaths in Russia alone. The U.S. Air Force further neglected the thirty to forty million civilians killed by our Cold War adversary the Soviets. In the same gallery there is no display for the forty million civilians killed by our other major Cold War adversary the Chinese.&nbsp; What of the two million Korean civilians and the two million Vietnamese civilians who lost their lives in those conflicts?</p>

<p>It is truly appalling and disgusting that the U.S. Air Force honors one ethnic group who lost six million people and ignores tens of millions of civilians who were slaughtered in equally heinous manners. What is driving this glaring and disgusting oversight? How did these other people not even receive a footnote? It is disturbing that the tens of millions who have been ignored are all from Asia which seems to indicate a not so subtle Xenophobia. A wiser and non-bigoted option would be to not have a display at all if all of those who suffered in like manner can not be remembered. As it stands the U.S. Air Force and by default the U.S. federal government have engaged in an action that is an unimaginably large statement of ethnic superiority.</p>
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    <entry>
      <title>Why are Jews so quickly offended by&#8230;.well, everything</title>
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      <published>2009-01-26T14:07:17Z</published>
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        <p>Another contradiction brought to you by the Church of Contradictions. People should not be offended by Judaism or its members, BUT…..they are offended by everything outside of Judaism.</p>

<p>Jews are quickly &#8220;offended&#8221;</p>

<p>1. By any discussion of history that sheds an unfavorable light on the true history of the Judaism.<br />
2. Someone else’s non compliance with their expectations for political beliefs.<br />
3. Choosing to have an opinion that doesn&#8217;t tow the party line.<br />
4. Setting boundaries, like &#8220;no I&#8217;m not going agree with your political agenda&#8221;.<br />
5. Asking questions or confronting the history or doctrine of Judaism that is incorrect or doesn’t make sense.</p>

<p>Jews would ask that others not be “offended” by their peculiar religious observations, their unorthodox beliefs, the claim that they are GOD&#8217;S CHOSEN PEOPLE (that shouldn’t offend anyone) or that they have authority from God to judge you. No one is supposed to take offense to anything a Jew says or does, but they are “offended” by everything.</p>

<p>How convenient for them, just another way to blame the victim and claim they are the victims. Everyone’s being mean to them while they are so nice to others.</p>
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    <entry>
      <title>Phone message</title>
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      <published>2009-01-21T20:20:53Z</published>
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        <p>There is a phone message for all Jews, Muslims, and Christians. The Babylonians from the 7th Century B.C. called and they want their myths back. I am afraid you will need to create your own myths to fight over. The stolen myths that constitute Judaism, Islam, and Christianity were threadbare, soiled, and putrid two thousand years ago. Time to let it go.</p>
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