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Posted: 14 September 2007 10:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 76 ]  
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* With the exception of a few moon rocks and meteorite fragments.

Heresy!  Stone him!

I suspect that stuff came from the same place as everything else, so it’s really just a conservative qualifier. You wouldn’t stone a conservative, would you?

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Posted: 14 September 2007 10:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 77 ]  
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“I believe a blade of grass is no less than the journey-work of the stars.”
- Walt Whitman

Ol’ Walt had it all goin’ on.

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Posted: 14 September 2007 03:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 78 ]  
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I suspect that stuff came from the same place as everything else, so it’s really just a conservative qualifier. You wouldn’t stone a conservative, would you?

Let him without sin cast the first stone . . . so, hand me that stone, will you?

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Posted: 21 September 2007 03:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 79 ]  
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unsmoked - 14 September 2007 07:30 PM

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I suspect that stuff came from the same place as everything else, so it’s really just a conservative qualifier. You wouldn’t stone a conservative, would you?

Let him without sin cast the first stone . . . so, hand me that stone, will you?

“Everybody must get stoned.”

R. Zimmerman

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Posted: 22 September 2007 03:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 80 ]  
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unsmoked - 13 September 2007 11:38 AM

It is estimated from archeological evidence that humans arrived on the Western Hemisphere 15 or 20 thousand years ago.  Whatever Native American societies were like - noble or ignoble, we know that the land, ‘from sea to shining sea’, was a land of clean rivers, clean air, vast forests, plains teaming with game and rivers teaming with fish.

Have you read the book ‘1491’? Fascinating! I’m not able to evaluate the scholarship, but it changed my view of American prehistory, although not quite as much as ‘Guns, Germs and Steel’ which explains more.

I guess I’m sort of a Marxist in that I think our ‘values’ depend upon our material circumstances.
Do you think people freely choose their values?
I assume that if the Americas had remained isolated, people would still develop agriculture at the expense of all other species. Using fire to clear land is such a powerful technology, you can do a lot of damage even without steel. But of course the species we favor, such as buffalo or corn, don’t see it as ‘damage’.

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Posted: 23 September 2007 02:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 81 ]  
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Pat_Adducci - 22 September 2007 07:54 PM


I guess I’m sort of a Marxist in that I think our ‘values’ depend upon our material circumstances.
Do you think people freely choose their values?

I assume that you were not born a Marxist, and I assume that your family was not Marxist, and I think you live in the US, which is not a Marxist nation.  Yet you are a Marxist.  Doesn’t that answer your question?  You chose your values and became a Marxist. Assuming that we have average intelligence and that we have thought about our lives and done a little introspection, we make our choices about what we consider to be important.  I don’t think our material circumstances are absolutely determinative, although, like everything else, they are factors.

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Posted: 23 September 2007 04:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 82 ]  
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I guess I’m sort of a Marxist in that I think our ‘values’ depend upon our material circumstances.
Do you think people freely choose their values?

...Yet you are a Marxist…You chose your values and became a Marxist…

He said I guess I’m sort of a Marxist in that... enough qualifiers to give anybody the hint that he doesn’t really consider himself a bona fide Marxist.

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Posted: 23 September 2007 04:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 83 ]  
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Thank you, g. wood, I’m much too simple-minded and cheerful to be a Marxist. (Gender = fem.)
Bruce, more about ‘choice’ over in the ‘where is God?’ discussion.
Carry on with the rocks….

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Posted: 24 September 2007 03:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 84 ]  
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Pat_Adducci - 23 September 2007 08:31 PM

Thank you, g. wood….

You’re welcome.

(Gender = fem.)


Whoops. Sorry.

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