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Zionism: The Fall of Man
Posted: 05 December 2007 09:12 AM   [ Ignore ]  
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ZIONISM: THE FALL OF MAN
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There is a tremendous amount of difference between Zionism and Judaism. One can be Jewish and NOT believe in Zionism.  One doesn’t have to be Jewish to support the tenets of Zionism. Criticizing Zionism is NOT synonymous with Anti-Semitism…

Their plan was brilliant: Seize control of a particular religion. Kill off the majority of its believers and reinvent its dogmas and beliefs to support the goals of the New Elders. Their global stranglehold already in place, they had the financial might and geopolitical influence needed to orchestrate the most sinister, malicious and evil act ever perpetrated against a people, a religion and a planet…

The Rothschild Banking Dynasty, directed by the interconnectedness of the plan laid forth by undoubtedly one of the most brilliant and ominous characters ever to have walked the Earth - Mayer Amschel Rothschild sent his five sons out across Europe, each assigned with their own task - all they had to do was follow the Protocols set out in the last will and testament of their father. The rest would come to fruition through gradual steps as they accumulated more wealth, power and influence over successive generations.

1815 was the year that the World’s Citizenry lost their universal right to freedom, prosperity and peace. As one of his sons, Nathaniel Rothschild, acquired a vast majority of Britain’s wealth by influencing the sale of British-held stocks and commodities – by suggesting that Napoleon had won the Battle of Waterloo, thereby forcing most British investors to abandon their stocks – as he accumulated a degree of wealth not to be rivaled since.

As the Rothschild’s continued to flourish in their “native” nations, directing influence from behind the scenes, they did not seek fame – they wanted power, and with the creation of the cartelized “central” banks of the region and that of in America, they succeeded. Gaining an exponential amount of authority that would eventually come to manipulate geopolitical actions across the globe. With their fiat monetary policy in place around the globe, they funded the Zionist movement and worked to secure their own country. Through their massive influence in Britain, they first secured 6,000 square miles in Uganda for their cause but ultimately agreed on Palestine and began their assault on the world…

Nearly all modern atrocities committed in the Middle East can trace their ancestry to the Rothschild and Rockefeller Dynasties. The Rothschild’s owned and controlled the issuance of currency (and the confiscation of true wealth; gold), whereas the Rockefeller’s in America controlled the most vital source of power in the coming Industrial Age, the Black Death itself: Oil. These two families could now decide which nations (and families) would rise and which would fall.

These two families recognized that their powers, if combined, would be a force the world had never seen before. Not even the Emperor’s of the Roman Empire could have dreamed of controlling the entirety of the world’s population in the manner of which these two families would come to operate and function behind the scenes. Laying the groundwork for the United Nations, World Wars, the creation of the Federal Reserve and the eventual ownership (and manipulation) of the vast majority of information that the planet would have access to.

Eugenics and the manipulation of the mainstream media outlets that “informed” the globe would ensure that they would achieve their goal, while still remaining in relative obscurity. These families were not interested in money, they had the capability to print as much money as they wanted (or in later times, the ability to “create” money out of thin air by adding a few digits to bank accounts) – they had their goals firmly in place and well within reach. Power is what true evil desires the most, not monetary endeavors – ALL-CONSUMING POWER.

Moments passed by on the citizens’ clock as they continued pursuit of their END GAME scenario – One World Government. A New World Order where they and those who agreed with their philosophies would be the only true benefactors, at the expense of every other living being on this planet. Climates and cultures would be devastated, indigenous people would be removed of their right of existence – the only concern was their agenda… A world devoid of free-enterprise, where the people were guaranteed to partake in a subservient role in respect to their corporate masters and the financial taxation that would assure them of a life of serfdom.

As the Rothschild’s hijacked Judaism and constructed wars to kill off large quantities of the Jewish population, they assured themselves that they would be able to remake the “traditions” and dogmas of Judaism to fit their desired goals – namely, the nationalistic and barbarous beliefs in Zionism. As Baron Edmund de Rothschild secured lands in Palestine in the late 1880s, long before the introduction of the Balfour Declaration on November 2nd, 1917 - this oligarchy was already busy assigning their own partnerships that would suit the desires of the Protocols laid down a century before.

With the acquisition of the Suez Canal, and their partnerships with American business interests overseas, the Rothschild Dynasty continued its assault against the World’s Citizenry, planting seeds along the way that would allow them to eventually be able to reshape history as they wanted it to be seen. They understood the main goals of the average citizen: to enjoy the little things in life, to have dreams and to aspire to achieve those goals. They knew the people were already engaged in a rigged game and were all to happy to watch the serfs continue their lives deprived of Truth.

Just as children readily believe the stories told to them about the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and Jesus, this oligarchy within the establishment of the globe’s ensuing geopolitical endeavors knew that while countries and political leaders might fall from within – they instilled within their progeny that it was their “right” and their “destiny” to be the privileged one’s to continue a reckless and genocidal plan formulated many years before. Through their many channels of propaganda, they ensured that questioning the status quo would make any naysayer appear as a “conspiratorial” lunatic.

To any Jewish or German citizen who could be revived to witness what has happened over the past 100 years, the horror that would befall their perspective of how they were used, manipulated and killed so that a few families might enjoy a better life would undoubtedly cause that individual to become overcome with anger, dread and empathy whose only outcome would be the purest poetry ever written.

As the Zionist population continued its horrid decline, and as the fascist masters of the corporatocracy continued their ascent into what has to be seen as a god-like status, the rest of the world would unfortunately befall the horrors that must haunt the dreams of the empirical elite who have written a novel of what it’s like to betray consciousness and mankind during these times.

As their stranglehold on the information their respected empires would have access to continued to grow and exceed the curiosity of the people of “their” lands owned, questioning the basic tenets of our worldview continued to evaporate. The umbrella of the Zionist movement would spread its tentacles across the globe manipulating the Evangelical Christians and others whose beliefs instill a sense of awe and amazement for the “End of the World/Age”….

As most faith-based organizations believe it to be wrong to question the very dogmas of a particular golden-laced fairy-tale, good people are manipulated into believing the lies of the Zionist masters who manipulate our geopolitical landscape for their own good. Only in a sick world such as we live, would a true hero such as Mordecai Vanunu be treated as a villain and be placed in solitary confinement by the Zionist Rulers of Israel for 18 years – meanwhile, the vast majority of our planet remains unaware of his struggle to inform the world regarding Israel’s vast nuclear arsenal and their ambitions to rid the region and Palestine of it’s Arab/Muslim population.

One wants to assume that Life is far too precious and scarce throughout the Universe for this type of atrocity to occur. But…

“Evil can only thrive if good men and women do nothing.” -Edmund Burke

(For more information regarding the conflicts of Palestine/Israel: please go to: http://www.ifamericansonlyknew.org )

COMPASSION – EMPATHY – DISSENT – REVOLUTION – TRUTH

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Posted: 10 December 2007 11:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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(The simpleton trips through the door)

Hey, could you please ‘dumb’ this stuff down for me?

I don’t follow this stuff well; a simpler version would be greatly appreciated dude.

Thanks in advance.

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Posted: 12 December 2007 09:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Here’s a nice video with Mordechai Vanunu - the Israeli citizen who was sentenced to 18 years of solitary confinement for trying to tell the world about Israel’s nuclear weapons program (which they were denying existed at the time).

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13963.htm

But in response to your question: Essentially, a consortium of influential, rich and prominent business men (funded by the Rothschild Banking Dynasty) formulated a plan to hijack a religion, kill off most of its believers and reshape said religion’s dogmas, etc. to suit their agenda of world domination through geopolitical and economic endeavors. The Balfour Declaration (1917, which guaranteed the Zionist their own country - Israel) was delivered to Lord Rothschild, and Baron Edmund de Rothschild starting securing the first lands for Zionist settlements in the 1880s. By the way, this is the same group of international bankers who created the Federal Reserve in America.

Think of it: the United States gives billions of dollars a year to Israel - ON TOP of giving them FREE military aid, which totals a few more billion. Israel has never allowed any UN Inspectors to enter their “non-existent” nuclear factories - and anyone who speaks out against Zionism is labeled an anti-semite by AIPAC or the ADL.

Serious criticism of Israel/Zionism is not allowed through the channels of mechanized brainwashing - mainstream media.

Here’s a speech by Benjamin Freedman (a Jew who didn’t believe in Zionism) telling the truth about Israel/Zionism: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3552214685532803163

And, most importantly go to: http://www.ifamericansonlyknew.org  OR www.wearewideawake.org for more information.

Hope that helps. smile

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Posted: 12 December 2007 09:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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A Synopsis of the Israel/Palestine Conflict

The following is a very short synopsis of the history of this conflict. We recommend that you also read the much more detailed account, “The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict.”

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For 2,000 years there was no such conflict.

The land of Palestine was inhabited by Palestinian Arabs. In 1850 these consisted of approximately 400,000 Muslims, 75,000 Christians, and 25,000 Jews. For centuries these groups had lived in harmony: 80 percent Muslim, 15 percent Christian, 5 percent Jewish.
Zionism

But then in the late 1800s a group in Europe decided to colonize this land. Known as “Zionists,” this group consisted of an extremist minority of the world Jewish population. They wanted to create a Jewish homeland, and at first considered locations in Africa and South America, before finally settling on Palestine for their colony.

At first this immigration created no problems. However, as more and more Zionists immigrated to Palestine — many with the express wish of taking over the land for an exclusively Jewish state — the indigenous population became increasingly alarmed. Eventually, there was fighting between the two groups, with escalating waves of violence.

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UN Partition Plan

Finally, in 1947 the United Nations decided to intervene. However, rather than adhering to the democratic principle espoused decades earlier by Woodrow Wilson of “self-determination of peoples,” in which the people themselves create their own state and system of government, the UN chose to revert to the medieval strategy whereby an outside power arbitrarily divides up other people’s land.

Under considerable pressure from high-placed American Zionists, the UN decided to give away 55 percent of Palestine to a Jewish state — despite the fact that this group represented only about 30 percent of the total population, and owned under 7 percent of the land.
1948 War

When the inevitable war broke out the outcome was never in doubt, according to U.S. intelligence reports from the time. The Zionist army consisted of over 90,000 European-trained soldiers and possessed modern weaponry, including up-to-date fighter and bomber airplanes. The Arab forces, very much a third-world army, consisted of approximately 30,000 ill-equipped, poorly trained men. The U.S. Army, British intelligence, and the CIA all agreed: it would be no contest.

By the end of the 1948 war the Jewish state — having now declared itself “Israel” — had conquered 78 percent of Palestine — far more than that proposed even by the very generous UN partition plan. And three-quarters of a million Palestinians had been made refugees. Over 400 towns and villages had been destroyed, and a new map was being drawn up, in which every city, river and hillock would receive a new, Hebrew name. All vestiges of the Palestinian culture were to be erased. In fact, for many decades Israel — and the US, following its lead — denied the very existence of this population. Golda Meir once said, in fact: “There is no such thing as a Palestinian.”

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1967 War

In 1967, Israel conquered still more land. Following the Six Day War, in which Israeli forces launched a highly successful, Pearl Harbor-like surprise attack on Egypt, Israel occupied the additional 22 percent of Palestine that had eluded it in 1948 — the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It also occupied parts of Egypt (which since were returned) and Syria (which remain under occupation).
Current Conflict

There are, then, two issues at the very core of the continuing conflict and escalating violence in the Middle East:

First, there is the inevitably destabilizing effect of trying to maintain an ethnically preferential state, particularly when the exclusionist entity is of largely colonial origin. As we have seen, the original population of what is now Israel was 95 percent Muslim and Christian. And yet, Muslim and Christian refugees are not being allowed to return to their homes in the current “Jewish state.” Israeli peace negotiators refuse to even discuss the possibility of applying this UN guaranteed right.

Second, Israel’s continued confiscation of Palestinian land in the West Bank and Gaza is being resisted by the Palestinian inhabitants. It is these occupied territories that, according to the Oslo peace accords of 1993, were going to become a Palestinian state. However, when Israel continued to take land in these areas and to move its citizens onto it, the Palestinian population rebelled. This uprising, called the “Intifada” (Arabic for “shaking off”) began at the end of September 2000 and continues to this day.

That is certainly not the version we were spoon-fed in Hebrew School.  rolleyes

Thanks.

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Posted: 12 December 2007 10:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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Note that the start of this thread draws from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.  This document, which appeared in the mid-19th century, is the worst sort of black magic.  What it does is use existing hatred (hatred of the Jews) as a means of attacking libralism and in particular groups like the Masons.  While the document proports to show a plan by the (non-existant) elders of zion to take over the world, this is fabrication aimed at playing on anti-Jewish sentiment (which was rampant in 19th century Europe).  But the real targets are those who sought to bring Enlightenment values into the political world (libreals, masons, etc.)—by accusing them of being dupes of the so called Zionist conspiracy they are discredited.  (Recall that the example of the French revolution scared the hell out of the conservative and reactionary establishment in Europe.)  The Protocols were taken up and used by the Tzarist secret police and used in support of the anti-Jewish pomgrams in Russia.  I repeat, they are the very darkest sort of black magic.

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Posted: 12 December 2007 12:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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Wrong Burt - the article is not entirely based on The Protocols, I merely mention it. Besides, have you ever read the document?

Let’s assume that the document is fake - if so, the author is the only true PROVEN prophet in the history of mankind. Because everything mentioned in The Protocols has already came to fruition. So, if you concede that it is a “slanderous piece of conspiratorial literature” - then you have not done enough research to come to ANY conclusion.

Secondly, here’s a nice website for you: http://www.nkusa.org/
“Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism”.

What did I say in the very beginning of my article? I’ll break it down: ANTI-ZIONISM IS NOT ANTI-SEMITISM. And, because most people never comprehend what that phrase truly means, I’ll repeat it: ANTI-ZIONISM IS NOT ANTI-SEMITISM.

Sorry, but when one family - the Rothschilds - secures the first settlements in Palestine in the 1880s; then conjures up the Balfour Declaration (it was addressed to Lord Rothschild); funds the first movements of Zionism; creates the Federal Reserve in America… What other conclusion can one come to?

We’re all entitled to our own opinions - but NOT to our own facts.

http://www.nkusa.org/

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Posted: 12 December 2007 12:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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3n7r0py - 12 December 2007 05:19 PM

Wrong Burt - the article is not entirely based on The Protocols, I merely mention it. Besides, have you ever read the document?

Let’s assume that the document is fake - if so, the author is the only true PROVEN prophet in the history of mankind. Because everything mentioned in The Protocols has already came to fruition. So, if you concede that it is a “slanderous piece of conspiratorial literature” - then you have not done enough research to come to ANY conclusion.

Secondly, here’s a nice website for you: http://www.nkusa.org/
“Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism”.

What did I say in the very beginning of my article? I’ll break it down: ANTI-ZIONISM IS NOT ANTI-SEMITISM. And, because most people never comprehend what that phrase truly means, I’ll repeat it: ANTI-ZIONISM IS NOT ANTI-SEMITISM.

Sorry, but when one family - the Rothschilds - secures the first settlements in Palestine in the 1880s; then conjures up the Balfour Declaration (it was addressed to Lord Rothschild); funds the first movements of Zionism; creates the Federal Reserve in America… What other conclusion can one come to?

We’re all entitled to our own opinions - but NOT to our own facts.

http://www.nkusa.org/

It is true, anti-zionism is not necessarily the same as anti-semitism, but you are clearly both anti-zionist and anti-semitic; and clearly the former due to the latter. 

What exactly troubles you about the Jewish people returning to their homeland?  Jerusalem has always been sacred to Jews and to no other people.  Muslim claims to it are non-sense.(http://www.danielpipes.org/article/84)  And the Koran explicitly endorses the Jewish claim to the land.  (If anything, your anti-semitism illustrates why the Jews feel they need a homeland, to avoid people like you.)

Do you think the Portugese and the Spanish are also just as wrong then for the reconquista of the Iberian Peninsula from the Moors?  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista)  How about the Armenians who took back Armenia or the Europeans who took back Budapest from the Muslim conquerers?

The facts are these:  there have always been Jews in Israel.  And in the late 1880s, the Jews began purchasing land.  In 47 they agreed to a non-contiguous state, the Arabs rejected this and war broke out.  The Israelis won.  The Israelis would have been quite content to leave it at that.  But the Arabs again attacked in 67.  And they were crushed.  Nevertheless, the Israelis keep giving land for peace.  And most recently they unilaterally withdrew from Gaza.  Imagine India or Pakistan doing that from Kashmir.  Imagine Britain doing that from the Fauklands.  Imagine China reliquishing its claim to Taiwan.  The list goes on and on.  Your anti-semitism is intimately connected to your anti-zionism because you apply a double standard to Israel and Israelis sovereignty. 

(And this is like the 16th time you’ve posted this article or gone off on a rant about the Rothchilds.  Get over it.  The Jews have done nothing to you.  Threaten none of your interests.  Have no interest in converting you or indeed, otherwise dealing with you.)

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3n7r0py - 12 December 2007 05:19 PM

Wrong Burt - the article is not entirely based on The Protocols, I merely mention it. Besides, have you ever read the document?

Let’s assume that the document is fake - if so, the author is the only true PROVEN prophet in the history of mankind. Because everything mentioned in The Protocols has already came to fruition. So, if you concede that it is a “slanderous piece of conspiratorial literature” - then you have not done enough research to come to ANY conclusion.

Secondly, here’s a nice website for you: http://www.nkusa.org/
“Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism”.

What did I say in the very beginning of my article? I’ll break it down: ANTI-ZIONISM IS NOT ANTI-SEMITISM. And, because most people never comprehend what that phrase truly means, I’ll repeat it: ANTI-ZIONISM IS NOT ANTI-SEMITISM.

Sorry, but when one family - the Rothschilds - secures the first settlements in Palestine in the 1880s; then conjures up the Balfour Declaration (it was addressed to Lord Rothschild); funds the first movements of Zionism; creates the Federal Reserve in America… What other conclusion can one come to?

We’re all entitled to our own opinions - but NOT to our own facts.

http://www.nkusa.org/

I’m sorry, but you are interpreting history according to a very distorted mindset.  That is your problem—if you look at the facts from a distorted perspective, all you will see is the distortion.  I agree that opposition to policies of the state of Israel is not the same as anti-semitism.  But that is not the point.  I have read the Protocols and have carefully researched their history.  That is the reason for my comment, I reiterate: the Protocols are the blackest of black magic (because they utilize and transmit the energy of hatred).  They are very seductive to read and are certainly the work of a powerful magician.  Obviously, you have fallen under his spell and now view the world through a false lense (the worldview that their author created in your mind).  In that sense, you are in the same mental boat as any religious fundamentalist.

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Posted: 13 December 2007 07:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Mwuhahahaha!

Let me see if I can slow this down a bit for you. I have nothing against Jews - at all, absolutely nothing.

I do have a problem with Zionism. It is the most horrific display of “religious dogmatism” and is responsible for nearly all modern atrocities committed in the Middle East.

You are only believing the propaganda lies formulated by the Zionist movement. And, if you would actually go to the websites I presented you would understand this fact absolutely clear.

So, I’ll hold your hand and stroll through Disbelief Avenue with you:

http://www.nkusa.org  and http://www.ifamericansonlyknew.org

GO TO THOSE WEBSITES TO UNDERSTAND THAT ZIONISM IS A PLAGUE AGAINST HUMANITY - A PLAGUE THAT REAL JEWS ARE PROTESTING AGAINST.

I have actually researched the history of Zionism and how the Rothschilds bankrolled the entire operation. The Balfour Declaration (document from Britain that promised the Zionists Palestine) was addressed to Lord Rothschild. The Rothschilds funded the Suez Canal - Edmund de Rothschild purchased the first Zionist settlements in Palestine in the 1880s.

You are either ignorant or just plain stupid. Read a few books, do a bit of research and stop believing the lies that are spoon-fed to you on a daily basis.

...But no doubt you will continue on your way - refusing to accept a more accurate view of history because it’s much more convenient for you. *sigh*

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Posted: 13 December 2007 08:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Statements/2006July18.cfm

Orthodox Jews Demand End to Zionist Atrocities in the Middle East
July 18 – New York

The brutal and indiscriminate attack upon the people and infrastructure of Lebanon by the Zionist State “Israel” is a crime against all basic standards of decency and humanity.

The excuse given for this murderous invasion was the attack by Hezbollah on the IDF. What this might have to do with the hundreds of thousands of Lebanese innocent men, women and children, who are subjected to an ongoing living hell, is beyond comprehension.

Indeed, this current aggression is only the second chapter of the recent viciousness; the first being the furious reinvasion of Gaza and the onslaught on its civilians and the ruination of its basic human services.

Of course, voices may be heard that the IDF are simply responding. This, of course, ignores the question of the evil, implicit in punishing blameless people for the deeds of others. And it totally ignores the root of the problem, the dispossession and subjugation of the Palestinian people which began in 1948, was expanded in 1967 and continues unabated to this day. The crux of the matter is that beyond the immorality of the Zionist treatment of the Palestinians is the ultimate fact—the ideology of Zionism and ensuing establishment of the Zionist state conflicts with the basic teachings of Judaism.

Zionism is the transformation from Judaism, a G-dliness and spirituality, into a G-dlessness, materialism with nationalistic aspirations. Theodor Herzl and his cohorts, the fathers of this relatively new ideology of Zionism (approximately 100 years), have taken the Almighty out of the equation.

The ultimate establishment of the Zionist State, the fulfilment of the Zionist ideology, takes this blasphemy a step further. The Jewish people were sent into exile by Divine decree. They where then expressly commanded by the Almighty, not to attempt to leave their exilic existence through any human intervention. They were expressly forbidden to create their own state, such as the Zionist state of “Israel”. (Talmud, Tractate Kesuboth, p.111).

The Jewish people are forbidden to oppress another people. The creation of the State of “Israel” came about through, the theft from, subjugation and oppression of, the Palestinian people.

Torah Jewry, therefore, condemns the horrifying suffering inflicted upon both the Palestinian and Lebanese people. Because of all of the above, all attempts to achieve peace and stability for “Israel” are destined to fail. The Creator cannot be defied with impunity.

The Rabbis stated, that the State of “Israel” will result in unending pain, suffering and bloodshed. May the Almighty protect His creations.

The State of “Israel” does not speak in the name of Jews, they have stolen the name “Israel” from the Jewish people. Jews are commanded to be loyal citizens in every country in which they reside.

Zionism and the State of “Israel”, is the main cause of the exacerbation of anti Semitism universally.

The government of the illegitimate State of “Israel”, continually attempts to uproot the Torah and its statutes. They persistently oppress the Torah true Jews who reside in its borders.

We pray that all misery in the Holy Land and Lebanon, shall come to an end and that Zionism, the root of the suffering, continue to fade from Jewish consciousness, to be replaced by the faith of Torah. We shall all witness soon the peaceful dismantlement of the Zionist State “Israel”. May we merit seeing the day when all humanity will serve the Almighty in harmony and peace. Amen.

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3n7r0py - 13 December 2007 12:59 PM

Mwuhahahaha!

Let me see if I can slow this down a bit for you. I have nothing against Jews - at all, absolutely nothing.

I do have a problem with Zionism. It is the most horrific display of “religious dogmatism” and is responsible for nearly all modern atrocities committed in the Middle East.

You are only believing the propaganda lies formulated by the Zionist movement. And, if you would actually go to the websites I presented you would understand this fact absolutely clear.

So, I’ll hold your hand and stroll through Disbelief Avenue with you:

http://www.nkusa.org  and http://www.ifamericansonlyknew.org

GO TO THOSE WEBSITES TO UNDERSTAND THAT ZIONISM IS A PLAGUE AGAINST HUMANITY - A PLAGUE THAT REAL JEWS ARE PROTESTING AGAINST.

I have actually researched the history of Zionism and how the Rothschilds bankrolled the entire operation. The Balfour Declaration (document from Britain that promised the Zionists Palestine) was addressed to Lord Rothschild. The Rothschilds funded the Suez Canal - Edmund de Rothschild purchased the first Zionist settlements in Palestine in the 1880s.

You are either ignorant or just plain stupid. Read a few books, do a bit of research and stop believing the lies that are spoon-fed to you on a daily basis.

...But no doubt you will continue on your way - refusing to accept a more accurate view of history because it’s much more convenient for you. *sigh*

I have given you a diagnosis of your condition.  You are enslaved by a black magician.  Once somebody has drawn you into a worldview, it is difficult to get out and take an objective view.  Instead, you will automatically interpret all evidence, positive, negative, or neutral so that it fits your beliefs.  This is especially so when that worldview comes with strong emotional anchors that tie in to the human tendency to see conspiracies everywhere.  It is up to you to correct this condition.  Since you show no sign of interest in doing so, we have nothing further to say to each other. 

Once there was a man who suffered from a disfiguring disease.  The cure was available, but he refused it, saying “On me, it looks good.”

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3n7r0py - 13 December 2007 12:59 PM

Mwuhahahaha!

Let me see if I can slow this down a bit for you. I have nothing against Jews - at all, absolutely nothing.

I do have a problem with Zionism. It is the most horrific display of “religious dogmatism” and is responsible for nearly all modern atrocities committed in the Middle East.

You are only believing the propaganda lies formulated by the Zionist movement. And, if you would actually go to the websites I presented you would understand this fact absolutely clear.

So, I’ll hold your hand and stroll through Disbelief Avenue with you:

http://www.nkusa.org  and http://www.ifamericansonlyknew.org

GO TO THOSE WEBSITES TO UNDERSTAND THAT ZIONISM IS A PLAGUE AGAINST HUMANITY - A PLAGUE THAT REAL JEWS ARE PROTESTING AGAINST.

I have actually researched the history of Zionism and how the Rothschilds bankrolled the entire operation. The Balfour Declaration (document from Britain that promised the Zionists Palestine) was addressed to Lord Rothschild. The Rothschilds funded the Suez Canal - Edmund de Rothschild purchased the first Zionist settlements in Palestine in the 1880s.

You are either ignorant or just plain stupid. Read a few books, do a bit of research and stop believing the lies that are spoon-fed to you on a daily basis.

...But no doubt you will continue on your way - refusing to accept a more accurate view of history because it’s much more convenient for you. *sigh*

I should not have posted and shouldn’t be posting now; this is a pointless exchange because you are an anti-semtic loon.  (And the Jewish website you posted, they represent a sect of about 5000 Jews; and they are also loons like you.)

You didn’t engage any arguments I put forward, you simply run off half cocked screaming Rothchild (which is bizarre to say the least because your accusing them of purchasing land, as if this is self-evidently evil because it was done by a Rothchild).  Got something against bankers?  Or is it just something against Jewish bankers?  The Rothchilds, along with the Barrings and the House of Morgan conducted a lot of finance before the emergence of modern banking.  You claim to have done research, but that’s all you say.  What research have you done?  Can you put forth a source that is even remotely intellectually reputable?  The truth is you know sh*t—and one can only assume that you have severe psychological problems.

Why don’t you tell me why Spanish nationlism or Portugese nationalism are different.  Are the Spanish evil when they try to stop ETA and the Basque separatists?  Were they evil when they kicked the Moors out?  You see, this is why you are an anti-semite.  You assert meaningless non-sequiturs over and over in an effort to demonize Israel.  You don’t address any facts on the ground.  Take Lebanon:  what should have been Israel’s response to armed agression by a Lebanese entity?  Criticism of Israel’s conduct is one thing, but you don’t do that, you don’t try to put forth an argument say that the response was disproporationate, you instead attack the State’s very legitemacy—which is not something you appear willing to do for any other country, say, France or Spain, etc.

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Posted: 13 December 2007 10:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Could you read the post relating to Orthodox Jews protesting Zionism please.  cool smirk

Or, if you would like an auditory and visual treat, I wrote a song about a year ago and put it to moving pictures: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRzCYDVloxc

...It might help put things in perspective for you.

Thanks and enjoy! grin

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http://www.ifamericansonlyknew.org

Oh, there is just one problem: What right did Great Britain have to promise Palestine to the Zionists? It’d be like Mexico offering Japan to Mormons… Sorry, but your logic doesn’t really make sense if you think it through.

Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6454254219830064032

Rabbi’s speak out against Zionism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RjnvQHWyLE

So you see, Jews who haven’t been conditioned by the propaganda campaign of the Zionist movement believe as I do - and, for the last time… I don’t hate Jews at all. I do however, have a particular bone to pick with Zionism. And regarding Rothschild buying lands in Palestine in the 1880s - that PROVES they had the Balfour plan already in the works before it was presented in 1917.

Your mobius-strip mentality works not here. Peddle your conditioned wares someplace else.

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Posted: 13 December 2007 02:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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3n7r0py - 13 December 2007 03:05 PM

Oh, there is just one problem: What right did Great Britain have to promise Palestine to the Zionists? It’d be like Mexico offering Japan to Mormons… Sorry, but your logic doesn’t really make sense if you think it through.

What’s truly scary is that you believe what you believe but you have zero clue about history.  What’s scarier than that is that you think you know history.

Great Britain you will recall was one of the victorious powers after both WWI and WWII.  The Ottomon Empire sided with Germany in WWI.  They lost.  And thus the Ottomon Empire’s territory, as customarily happens when a one loses a war of conquest, became the territory of both the victorious British and French Empires.  France controlled Lebanon and Syria (the Syrian Mandate) and Britain controlled most of the rest of the middle east, including what was then labelled Transjordan.  (Known as the British Mandate, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine). 

This is of course completely just, since had Germany and the Ottomon Empire won WWI, then they would have englarged their territory to include Britain and France, etc.  That’s the risk of a war of conquest.  When you lose, the the winners get your territory.  (Just like in the 67 war.)

Under the UN Partition Plan (see United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181), Transjordan was to become three states, two Arab, one Jewish.  The Jews accepted this internationally agreed to solution, and agreed that they would accept a non-contiguous state that did not include their ancient and sacred city, Jerusalem.  The Arabs rejected this.  Thus, Israel declared independence, and won.

This is radically different than the counter-factuals you’ve posed.  But questions about Britain still miss the point.  What is Israel, post-67, was the ancenstral home of the Jewish people, who were forced out by conquesting armies.  What you need to explain is why you keep insisting on a double standard for Israel but refuse to apply the same logic for Spain, Portugal, Armenia, and Hungary.  And why you don’t seem to have a probelm with Arab nationlism, but only Jewish nationalism. 

And I told you, I looked at those ridiculous websites by so-called orthodox Jews.  As I told you, they are fringe lunatics. They have about 5000 members.  And their logic is rejected by all sane and reputable rabbis.

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Er, um… No. You’re wrong.

Shall I refute your baseless (and inaccurate) claims with a simple quote? I believe I will:

“History is written by those who won the war.”

Now, since you refuse to actually do any in-depth research - choosing instead to cite the same masturbatory wikipedia links - I’ll try another method. When you get some time watch this documentary and then maybe you’ll see the flaws in your opinion. It’s a fine film.  wink And, you might want to take notice that Noam Chomsky must be as “crazy” as I am because he views the conflict as I do. He’s in the film.

Peace, Propaganda and the Promised Land:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6604775898578139565

How’s about you ask Mordechai Vanunu what he thinks of Zionism and Israel. They locked him up for 18 years in solitary confinement for trying to tell the world about Israel’s nuclear weapons program. If this would’ve happened in any other country, the individual would be praised as a hero.

...And, to recap:

“The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict.”

For 2,000 years there was no such conflict.

The land of Palestine was inhabited by Palestinian Arabs. In 1850 these consisted of approximately 400,000 Muslims, 75,000 Christians, and 25,000 Jews. For centuries these groups had lived in harmony: 80 percent Muslim, 15 percent Christian, 5 percent Jewish.

Zionism
But then in the late 1800s a group in Europe decided to colonize this land. Known as “Zionists,” this group consisted of an extremist minority of the world Jewish population. They wanted to create a Jewish homeland, and at first considered locations in Africa and South America, (they were actually awarded 6,000 miles of land in Uganda but declined) before finally settling on Palestine for their colony.

At first this immigration created no problems. However, as more and more Zionists immigrated to Palestine — many with the express wish of taking over the land for an exclusively Jewish state — the indigenous population became increasingly alarmed. Eventually, there was fighting between the two groups, with escalating waves of violence.

UN Partition Plan
Finally, in 1947 the United Nations decided to intervene. However, rather than adhering to the democratic principle espoused decades earlier by Woodrow Wilson of “self-determination of peoples,” in which the people themselves create their own state and system of government, the UN chose to revert to the medieval strategy whereby an outside power arbitrarily divides up other people’s land.

Under considerable pressure from high-placed American Zionists, the UN decided to give away 55 percent of Palestine to a Jewish state — despite the fact that this group represented only about 30 percent of the total population, and owned under 7 percent of the land.

1948 War
When the inevitable war broke out the outcome was never in doubt, according to U.S. intelligence reports from the time. The Zionist army consisted of over 90,000 European-trained soldiers and possessed modern weaponry, including up-to-date fighter and bomber airplanes. The Arab forces, very much a third-world army, consisted of approximately 30,000 ill-equipped, poorly trained men. The U.S. Army, British intelligence, and the CIA all agreed: it would be no contest.

By the end of the 1948 war the Jewish state — having now declared itself “Israel” — had conquered 78 percent of Palestine — far more than that proposed even by the very generous UN partition plan. And three-quarters of a million Palestinians had been made refugees. Over 400 towns and villages had been destroyed, and a new map was being drawn up, in which every city, river and hillock would receive a new, Hebrew name. All vestiges of the Palestinian culture were to be erased. In fact, for many decades Israel — and the US, following its lead — denied the very existence of this population. Golda Meir once said, in fact: “There is no such thing as a Palestinian.”

1967 War
In 1967, Israel conquered still more land. Following the Six Day War, in which Israeli forces launched a highly successful, Pearl Harbor-like surprise attack on Egypt, Israel occupied the additional 22 percent of Palestine that had eluded it in 1948 — the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It also occupied parts of Egypt (which since were returned) and Syria (which remain under occupation).

Current Conflict
There are, then, two issues at the very core of the continuing conflict and escalating violence in the Middle East:

First, there is the inevitably destabilizing effect of trying to maintain an ethnically preferential state, particularly when the exclusionist entity is of largely colonial origin. As we have seen, the original population of what is now Israel was 95 percent Muslim and Christian. And yet, Muslim and Christian refugees are not being allowed to return to their homes in the current “Jewish state.” Israeli peace negotiators refuse to even discuss the possibility of applying this UN guaranteed right.

Second, Israel’s continued confiscation of Palestinian land in the West Bank and Gaza is being resisted by the Palestinian inhabitants. It is these occupied territories that, according to the Oslo peace accords of 1993, were going to become a Palestinian state. However, when Israel continued to take land in these areas and to move its citizens onto it, the Palestinian population rebelled. This uprising, called the “Intifada” (Arabic for “shaking off”) began at the end of September 2000 and continues to this day.

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Posted: 16 February 2012 07:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]  
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great thread 3n7r0p,

quickly, i would suggest “Jewish History, Jewish Religion, and the Weight of 3000 Years.” by Israel Shahak and “The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy” by professors John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt.

The wicked nature of zionism and israels infuence on american politics are well documented. also, as foretelling as “Protocols” is, i find it much more beneficil to leave this book out of debates, for people will automatically jump on it as being “proven” as a fraud. Even without mentioning that disgusting book, te case against zionism is clear.

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