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Posted: 22 April 2012 08:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]  
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Majority of One - 22 April 2012 08:08 PM

I have always understood Sam to mean Islam is a bigger threat because it is in their teachings of the Koran that they SHOULD murder infidels…not only should be MUST. Christianity, flawed as it is, doesn’t have scriptures that order christians to kill infidels, that it is their duty to do so and that doing so will get them into heaven.

Can’t speak for Sam obviously, but that has been my take on what he has said.


Have you read the Old Testament?

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Posted: 22 April 2012 09:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]  
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Yes. I remember it says to murder tribes for this or that, but I don’t remember an actual commandment to kill people who don’t believe as a way to heaven. Seems it was always about getting land and women, etc. Could be wrong….enlighten me?

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Posted: 22 April 2012 09:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]  
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Majority of One - 22 April 2012 09:13 PM

Yes. I remember it says to murder tribes for this or that, but I don’t remember an actual commandment to kill people who don’t believe as a way to heaven. Seems it was always about getting land and women, etc. Could be wrong….enlighten me?


Deuteronomy 21:18-21 to kill their disobedient children with stones?

“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death.”

Leviticus 20:13: “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; ...


There are many instances where the OT says that people who leave the religion should be stoned to death.


Let’s face it, no religion is better than any other.
All religion is abominable.

 

 

 

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Posted: 22 April 2012 11:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]  
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All is religion is abominable…I so agree with you. But that is not what was said in the beginning of this thread.

I guess we’re talking past each other here. I know there are examples of god telling people to kill in the bible. What I was asking for was a commandment from god to kill infidels…in the new testament, the one christians today claim to follow.

Again, I think this is where Sam is citing a major difference between islam and christianity. This was the only thing I was pointing out. Yes, both religions are horrible. Yes, both have a lot of blood on their hands, but I still agree with Sam that islam is the great threat TODAY in the modern world.

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Posted: 23 April 2012 12:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]  
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I see the logic in this position.  I agree that with respect to the religious teachings, Islam teaches more direct violence.  However, my point was not about teaching, but real actions in the world.  What we see today is predominantly christian and Jewish countries, with leaders being of those faiths killing orders of magnitude more people than Muslim lead countries.  It doesn’t even matter that they are or aren’t doing it ‘because’ of their religious beliefs, the point is made to demonstrate that the largest danger comes from the West.  Just not danger that directly affects us.  Therefore I take issue with Sam’s position that Radical Islam is the biggest danger to the world.  That’s just not accurate.  And demonstrably so.

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Posted: 23 April 2012 01:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]  
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Majority of One - 22 April 2012 11:00 PM

All is religion is abominable…I so agree with you. But that is not what was said in the beginning of this thread.

I guess we’re talking past each other here. I know there are examples of god telling people to kill in the bible. What I was asking for was a commandment from god to kill infidels…in the new testament, the one christians today claim to follow.

Again, I think this is where Sam is citing a major difference between islam and christianity. This was the only thing I was pointing out. Yes, both religions are horrible. Yes, both have a lot of blood on their hands, but I still agree with Sam that islam is the great threat TODAY in the modern world.


The New testament is inseparable from the Old Testament.
They are one book.

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Posted: 23 April 2012 01:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]  
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True again. To us. However, most christians I know make a distinction. It is how they can sleep at night. They claim time and time again that the old testament doesn’t apply to their “faith.”

This still doesn’t provide an argument against what I believe Sam to be saying about islam vs christianity…at least christianity as practiced TODAY. Sure, hundreds of years ago, you would have a better argument against christianity, but today, islam is the greater threat. I’m willing to change my mind if you show me some actual evidence of christianity practiced today vs islam as practiced today.

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Posted: 23 April 2012 01:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]  
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My argument isn’t even hinging on religion.  It’s about ‘where is the danger for the planet coming from’.  And Sam believes it’s coming from Radical Islam.  I argue that the Western countries are far more dangerous than Radical Islam is.  The fact that the only super power today, the US, is lead by Dhristians is more a demonstration that Christianity is not void of violent action on the world than it is a proof that Christianity is to blame.  I understand that.  You might argue that the US leaders are themselves to blame, not their religion.  Fine.  Then it’s the US leaders that are the most dangerous to the world, not Islamic radicals.  I still think that’s a fair assessment.

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Posted: 23 April 2012 07:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]  
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mikael larson - 23 April 2012 01:16 AM

My argument isn’t even hinging on religion.  It’s about ‘where is the danger for the planet coming from’.  And Sam believes it’s coming from Radical Islam.  I argue that the Western countries are far more dangerous than Radical Islam is.  The fact that the only super power today, the US, is lead by Dhristians is more a demonstration that Christianity is not void of violent action on the world than it is a proof that Christianity is to blame.  I understand that.  You might argue that the US leaders are themselves to blame, not their religion.  Fine.  Then it’s the US leaders that are the most dangerous to the world, not Islamic radicals.  I still think that’s a fair assessment.


George Bush and Tony Thacker were both drunk on Christ.
The War in the Middle East has more to do with religion than it does economics.
Islam is not the main problem.
The problem is the conflict between the two religions.
In that sense the danger is shared and equal.

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Posted: 23 April 2012 11:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]  
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mikael larson - 23 April 2012 01:16 AM

  ...Western countries are far more dangerous than Radical Islam is.

I don’t agree with you. I think the US would be more peaceable than Iran, Iraq etc. if they could live in peace among themselves and deal with other countries in a fair manner. They’ve been fighting for 100s of years before our existence (the US). We want their oil and we buy it from them, but their conflicts are always interfering with peaceable transactions.

And, they hate us in a ways we don’t hate them…They hate our permissive culture, our education of women—well actually most of why they hate us stems from women—they think we’re pornographic in just letting women be free. They HATE us and want us DEAD—the mainstream islam and regular people.  I don’t think I’ve ever heard that kind of sentiment from mainstream christians and just your regular Americans.

And, I feel that if they ever got nuclear weapons, they wouldn’t hesitate to use them against us, in the name of allah. We have nuclear weapons and haven’t used them…that should tell you something.

 

 

[ Edited: 23 April 2012 11:42 AM by Majority of One]
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Posted: 22 September 2012 02:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]  
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The message and actions of the Muslim terrorists are quite similar to the actions God recommends in the Old Testament.

In my opinion, Muslims are pretty similar to the Christians of 100 or so years ago. Maybe we should petition Allah to issue a “New Testament” to the Qur’an and develop legions of “moderate” Muslims.

At least we would just have to deal with a bunch more ignorant, dogmatic, religious fundamentalist, but not the really violent variety. Wellll, maybe they might blow up an abortion clinic or two, but no more flying airplanes into buildings.

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Posted: 29 September 2012 04:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]  
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toombaru - 22 April 2012 08:57 PM
Majority of One - 22 April 2012 08:08 PM

I have always understood Sam to mean Islam is a bigger threat because it is in their teachings of the Koran that they SHOULD murder infidels…not only should be MUST. Christianity, flawed as it is, doesn’t have scriptures that order christians to kill infidels, that it is their duty to do so and that doing so will get them into heaven.

Can’t speak for Sam obviously, but that has been my take on what he has said.


Have you read the Old Testament?

EXACTLY.  Look at the quotes below that show Christianity is just as evil and indefensible as Islam! The only difference is very few Christians act on it while quite a few Muslims still do!

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5

 

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Posted: 29 September 2012 04:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]  
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In many regards the fact that Christianity is not more violent is the restraints, mores and laws of western civilization. Just because they dont fly airplanes into buildings just means they have been “forced” to be more subtle to champion their invisible guy in the sky. Their brain washing of children is an abominable evil.

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Posted: 29 September 2012 01:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]  
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Which religion is worse is totally irrelevant.  Faith is the enemy.  When you refuse to reason and use the scientific method in 2012, you are a potential threat to the planet and humankind.

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Posted: 29 September 2012 01:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]  
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Unfortunately, that is the sad truth.

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