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The Origins of Atheism
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The Origins of Atheism
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Do you know that if you make an endeavor to find out when and by whom atheism was authored you will not be able to find such information from any source? Not even the most “educated” atheists - particularly those associated with the most elite universities throughout the world can truthfully inform you when and by whom atheism originated. They can enlighten you as to who were its main perpetuators in different cultures; but they cannot identify its founder and when it actually originated.

The absence of a known author and time of origin of such a highly embraced philosophy is a strange phenomenon. But this phenomenon is highly indicative. It suggests that atheism is not of earthly origin - that it had its birth in another sphere before this state of time. Atheism is not a manmade doctrine but a doctrine of the demons. Its originator is none other than the old serpent himself, namely, satan. It had its origin from the very one it deceptively denies exists. It is a doctrine which denies the authorship and existence of its own author! This accounts for the absence of information in any literature embraced by atheists that identify both a human author and earthly time of origin for atheism.

The process by which atheism originated was much more involved than can be explained here, so a simple presentation of the basic principles that gave it birth must suffice. I will endeavor to explain how atheism had its origin by first directing your attention to a principle in the Bible found in Romans Chapter 9, verse 14. The Holy Spirit who spoke through the pen of the Apostle Paul, drew a conclusion from what is presented in the previous verses. In the entire chapter, He teaches that God is sovereign over the salvation and reprobation of humans - that God does not love everybody - that He decreed that some should be the objects of His eternal love and the rest should be the objects of His eternal wrath - that God, from His own will, has mercy on some humans while He hardens the rest. He has done this apart from anything they do good or bad. He teaches that humans are not truly masters of their destinies, but God is - that the details of their lives and destinies were foreordained by God in eternity past - before He brought any of them into existence. Then He asked the question: “…There is no injustice with God, is there?” We are then very emphatically given the divine answer: “May it never be!”

The Holy Spirit implies from the question that graceless humans who are informed about the truths of God’s sovereignty over the salvation and reprobation of humans will falsely conclude that God is unjust for loving some and hating the others - for decreeing that those He love should spend eternity in heaven and decreeing those He hates to spend eternity in the lake of fire, both apart fom anything they do good or bad in this world. A false conclusion that God is unjust for His actions is what began the birth process of atheism. It is very important to keep that fact in mind.

A conclusion that the Almighty Righteous God is unjust or wrong for any of His actions cannot be arrived at except through the total depravity of those who draw such a conclusion. So in order to understand how atheism had it origin, It is crucial to realize that the total depravity of the nature of satan is the key principle that underlies the origin of atheism. The total depravity of both the human and demonic natures is really none other than an antithetical principle or law to God and His Law. If you liken God and His righteousness to light and the total depravity of humans and demons to darkness, you can understand the antithetical nature of the two to one another. Light and darkness can never coexist; the one always dispels the other. Thus, the two are ANTI to one another. When the one expresses itself in the presence of the other, the other repels and cannot agree with the other, regardless of the expression. Atheism had its origin through the practical mental reaction of satan’s depravity towards God’s actions. The response of satan’s depravity was the false conclusion that the actions of God are wrong or evil.

Even though the conclusion that God is unjust is high error and was known by satan to be so, his total depravity nevertheless made it impossible for him to conclude otherwise. Depravity must direct the hearts of its graceless subjects against God even though they know better. This is because of the very antithetical nature of depravity to God and His Law. The nature of both human and demonic depravity is an unvarying and uncompromising principle that works apart from what its subjects know and remains opposed to God at all times despite God’s actions and despite their knowledge that it is impossible for God to be wrong.

The negative expressions of God towards the existence and outworkings of the depraved natures of humans and demons is always right, whereas the negative expressions and opposition of the depraved natures of humans and demons towards God are always wrong. The very antithetical nature of the depravity of graceless humans and demons invariably enslaves them to react negatively to God regardless of what God does. Therefore, their depravity reacts negatively to God, despite the fact that God can never do evil and despite the fact that He is always perfectly innocent. Here lies also the origin of insanity.

In order for satan to have arrived at the false conclusion that God is unjust in the midst of full knowledge that it is impossible for God to be so, his depravity had to cause him in principle to haughtily and deceptively seek to raise himself above God in order to judge God’s actions. It was a haughty attempt of a measly, totally depraved creature to reduce the Almighty God to the level of a creature and to raise himself to the position of God in order to subject God’s actions to his own judgement. It is impossible for the Almighty God to be debased to the level of a measly, depraved creature; and it is just as impossible for a measly, totally depraved creature to be exhalted to the level of the Almighty God. Satan understood this very well. However, his depravity nevertheless made him endeavor to assume such a deceptive role.

In order for satan to have endeavored to judge God, there had to be in place some type of opinion, philosophy, religion, charter or law by which he used to try to judge God. But God is not subject to anything. Nothing exists whatsoever that God is subject to or responsible to obey. God is not subject even to the most noble law in the universe - the TEN COMMANDMENTS - which He made for mankind, nor to any law made for the angels. He is above all laws and does only His own will. So there is no law He can possibly violate by any of His actions. Therefore, He cannot be rightly judged to be wrong in any action He performs. The only choices satan had by which to seek to judge God were some form of his own depravity - the antithetical principle of evil - the law of sin, or the most noble Law in the universe - the TEN COMMANDMENTS. Either choice would be the evil one attempting to judge the Righteous One - evil trying to condemn the rightousness as being evil - an impossibility and absolute deception. But he probably chose the latter so as to make God deceptively appear wrong by His own Law. Again, an impossibility and absolute deception.

Once satan deceptively drew the conclusion that God is wrong, the inference created within him a deep, abiding but unjust hatred and wrath for God. The ultimate end of all hatred is the death or complete destruction of the object of hatred. The hatred that satan had for God was not satisfied with merely seeking to punish God. It was satisfied with nothing less than God’s annihilation.

But satan’s foolish wrath created huge dilemmas for him. Although he wrongly concluded that God is unjust and wanted God annihilated as a result, he also clearly understood that it is impossible for God to be subject to his or anyone’s feelings, opinions, religions, philosophies, charters or laws, or any law God has made. But he was nevertheless forced by his depravity to make a condemning judgement against God which sought God’s annihilation. (A condemning judgement against God in the midst of the absence of a law that can condemn Him is insane hatred pure and simple.) But then he was faced with his knowledge that it is impossible for God to be destroyed by anyone, any means or anything. But his depravity and insane hatred for God insisted that God be annihilated! The dilemmas only served to inflame his foolish wrath. So after ranting and raving to no effect, the only way possible for him to gain some satisfaction from his rage and a semblance of the destruction of God in the midst of his understanding that God cannot be annihilated was through deception. He had to begin to deny the existence of God in full knowledge of His existence. This was the actual deceptive and utterly foolish birth of atheism.

The birth of atheism deceptively made satan feel free from his responsibility to obey and worship God, even though he also knew he wasn’t free. It made him deceptively feel he had the freedom to think and speak whatever he wanted without the feeling that it was sin, even though he knew this was not so. It made him deceptively feel that there is no punishment from God awaiting him, even though he knows full well there is. With God supposedly out of the picture, satan could establish all of the various erroneous manmade and demonic philosophies, religions, opinions and etc. in the world and none of them would be wrong in the eyes of his atheism. Democracy could be established to give all these the right of existence. Hence the birth of demonic democracy.

Lets recount the demonic steps that led to the birth of atheism: First came the measly and totally depraved demon’s deceptive efforts to exhalt himself to the level of the Almighty God and his deceptive efforts to debase God to the level of a depraved creature. Second came his deceptive efforts to judge God’s actions by the demon’s own depravity or by the law God made for human or angels. Third came the demon’s deceived conclusion that God is unjust or wrong in what He does. Fourth came his deceptive effort to impose the sentence of annihilation upon God’s existence. And fifth came the deceptive denial of the existence of God as a substitute for an impossibe annihilation of God. As you can see, each step from beginning to end during the birth of atheism was pure deception on the part of one who knows the truth. This proves that atheism is pure deception.

You will find those five principles at work in the hearts of every atheist. The conclusion that the One and only True God doesn’t exist cannot be derived except through deception. Atheism didn’t receive its origin by a true absence of proof of God’s existence, because there has always been and always will be overwhelming proof to the contrary. Atheism had its origin by the expression of satan’s depravity towards God, and it is embraced, maintained and perpetuated among graceless humans as a result of their total depravity. In other words, atheists follow in the footsteps of their master, the devil.

It was pointed out earlier that “The negative expression and opposition of the depraved natures of humans and demons towards God in regards to any of His actions are always wrong”. It can’t be any other way, because God is perfectly holy and therefore incapable of performing evil in any of His actions. Thus, in every case wherein humans or demons judge God to be wrong, it is done through the total depravity and deep hatred of those who are evil and already condemned because of being evil. Evil can never rightly condemn the righteous or the innocent. Any attempt to do is nothing but injustce. The perfect holines of God, His inability to sin and the impossibility of any creature or thing to condemn Him is clearly understood by those who express their foolish wrath towards God. This understanding adds to the heinousness of atheism. Atheism was born out of the deep depravity and deceptive wrath of the lowest creature that ever existed. His anger towards God amounts to a deep desire to murder the Most High God, to get rid of all righteousness and establish evil as if it is good - in the midst of his knowledge that such is impossible. Thus, the wrath that he has towards God - his desire to murder and annihilate Him, has fallen on his own head. That is, the deep wrath of the Almighty God is upon him. He cannot carry out his wrath upon God, but there is nothing that can stop God from pouring out His wrath upon him. All who are of like mind as satan - who embrace his atheism also has the wrath of the Almighty God against them. If God doesn’t grant them His grace, they shall suffer eternal punishment in the lake of fire with satan. “…There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be!”

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Posted: 24 April 2007 05:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Lets recount the demonic steps that led to the birth of atheism: First came the measly and totally depraved demon’s deceptive efforts to exhalt himself to the level of the Almighty God and his deceptive efforts to debase God to the level of a depraved creature. Second came his deceptive efforts to judge God’s actions by the demon’s own depravity or by the law God made for human or angels. Third came the demon’s deceived conclusion that God is unjust or wrong in what He does. Fourth came his deceptive effort to impose the sentence of annihilation upon God’s existence. And fifth came the deceptive denial of the existence of God as a substitute for an impossibe annihilation of God. As you can see, each step from beginning to end during the birth of atheism was pure deception on the part of one who knows the truth. This proves that atheism is pure deception.

One wonders what kind of putz this God person is to let the devil get away with such shenanigans. Must be just for the pure sport of it. Why isn’t this car already in the garage?

Nothing to see here, folks, but another cognitive train wreck. Or possible satire.

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Posted: 25 April 2007 06:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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What utter bullshit!  Atheism is the NATURAL state of man.  Religion was created out of fear and ignorance.  Grow up!

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Posted: 25 April 2007 02:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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[quote author=“Atheiststooge”]The absence of a known author and time of origin of such a highly embraced philosophy is a strange phenomenon. But this phenomenon is highly indicative. It suggests that atheism is not of earthly origin - that it had its birth in another sphere before this state of time.

Can you tell us who invented Zeus and when? How about Ra? Mithras? I would even bet that you cannot name the author and time of origin of your own Book of Genesis. Using your logic, must we assume that it too was authored by Satan?

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Posted: 25 April 2007 05:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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Evolutionary theory is a kissing cousin to atheism. Interestingly, it was authored by two separate people who never met and didn’t know about each other’s work. They were Alfred Russel Wallace and Charles Darwin. Darwin is the famous one, simply because he was first to publish. If neither of these two gentlemen would have discovered evolution, then someone else would have. Atheism, like evolution, is not a myth invented by peculiar bronze age sheepherders in the Syrian Desert, rather it is a universal truth, waiting to be discovered by anyone willing to use reason.

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Posted: 25 April 2007 05:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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[quote author=“hampsteadpete”]What utter bullshit!  Atheism is the NATURAL state of man.  Religion was created out of fear and ignorance.  Grow up!

I would disagree.  The way the brain is wired and the mind works provides a natural tendency to believe in the supernatural, whether animistic, pantheistic, magical, or theistic.  As I see it, full blown atheism (i.e., the denial of anything beyond material existence whatsoever) is a rationalistic over-reaction to the recognition of the limitations of religious belief systems.  The more nuanced reaction to me is skepticism: suspension of judgment, recognizing that all belief systems (including full-blown atheism) are subject to doubt.

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Posted: 25 April 2007 06:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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burt,

I’m skeptical about your conclusion.

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Posted: 25 April 2007 06:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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I do not think there are any real, living people who have reached the stage of “full blown atheism” as you describe it burt, “(i.e., the denial of anything beyond material existence whatsoever).”  Some people might claim to be “fully blown” but I tend to agree that such a cognitive state is virtually impossible to attain, except perhaps by some brain-damaged human being.

Pure materialism of the 100% variety is not really a viable perspective when certain pertinent questions are asked.

*EDIT- I forgot the one thing I wanted to say???  Your casting this thing (pure materialism) as somehow being the ultimate state of atheism burt is a gross error.  I don’t think atheism in any way points to pure materialism, and it’s a mistake to cast it in that direction.  There is mystery and the unknown for atheists, but not for materialists ultimately.

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[quote author=“burt”][quote author=“hampsteadpete”]What utter bullshit!  Atheism is the NATURAL state of man.  Religion was created out of fear and ignorance.  Grow up!

I would disagree.  The way the brain is wired and the mind works provides a natural tendency to believe in the supernatural, whether animistic, pantheistic, magical, or theistic.  As I see it, full blown atheism (i.e., the denial of anything beyond material existence whatsoever) is a rationalistic over-reaction to the recognition of the limitations of religious belief systems.  The more nuanced reaction to me is skepticism: suspension of judgment, recognizing that all belief systems (including full-blown atheism) are subject to doubt.

Does the notion that all belief systems are open to doubt really open the door to saying that religious beliefs, belief in the supernatural, belief in anything whatever beyond the material plane are permissible?

Sure, it’s “permissible” in the sense that you cannot actually stop people from bullshitting themselvese endlessly with snake oil tales of NDEs and OBEs and other what-the-bleepism. It is, as you say, the way the brain is wired, but the tendency is due only to ignorance and lack of discipline in anyone who is aware of the scientific method. It is what children are capable of, and that is when they are indoctrinated to it.

Whether one justifies it by radical skepticism, or some other philosophical mumbo jumbo, belief in something for which there exists no evidence, or for which there exists only subjective and anecdotal evidence, and which hangs from human cognition like a vestigial blind gut without any attachments to physical theory can only be compared to similar “belief” systems, to mythology, to pure self-hypnosis.

Burt, I say again, you’re blowing smoke (hot gas with dusty, sooty particles entrained in it). You seem to be reduced to bleating about the idea that all belief systems are provisional. Get a grip, man.

[quote author=“CanZen”]There is mystery and the unknown for atheists, but not for materialists ultimately.

There is mystery and the unknown aplenty for me as well, and it is often called “a sense of wonder”, but it does not lead me in the direction of mythology and wild speculation about the astral plane. I am in awe of the state of existence in which I find myself, but it gives me no “tendency” to believe in the supernatural. Burt, that “tendency” is pure capitulation to self-indulgence, and renders the argument pathetic. It is something you tout because you see it as “necessary” to “proper” human development. You have too much respect for some sort of authority.

The origins of atheism rooted in the scientific method are also the death knell of authoritarianism based on speculations that are specifically immaterial.

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Posted: 26 April 2007 04:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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[quote author=“Joad”]burt,

I’m skeptical about your conclusion.

 

Me too LOL

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Posted: 26 April 2007 04:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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I agree with Burt in part that religious belief is natural. Natural in the evolutionary sense. But as far as the brain being hard-wired for it, I don’t think that is accurate. I think it is really more of a trick of logic, similar to an optical illusion. The problem is this: one cannot imagine not being able to imagine. It’s like asking someone to draw a picture of what the world would look like if you were blind. The brain does seem to be hard wired with the ability to “fill in the blanks” of our understanding. Just like the blind spots in our vision are filled in by our visual cortex, the blindspots in our imagination are filled in by a placeholder called “God”, or in more thoughtfull people it’s “things I don’t understand or can’t even imagine.”

Each one of us has to build our understanding from essentially nothing, to however far we can get in our brief lifetimes. A baby believes that her consciousness encompasses everything. It only slowly dawns on her that mom’s thoughts are different than hers. Perhaps the insistance that there is a universal consciousness or an all knowing god is a manifestation of our desire to hold onto that simple infantile state of being that each of us starts with. Belief in the supernatural is an expression of our desire to not want to grow up. Perhaps resestance to growing up is hard wired, and in that sense, our tendency toward irrational belief is too. Or maybe it’s just easyer to make something up than to find the truth.

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[quote author=“CanZen”]I do not think there are any real, living people who have reached the stage of “full blown atheism” as you describe it burt, “(i.e., the denial of anything beyond material existence whatsoever).”  Some people might claim to be “fully blown” but I tend to agree that such a cognitive state is virtually impossible to attain, except perhaps by some brain-damaged human being.

Pure materialism of the 100% variety is not really a viable perspective when certain pertinent questions are asked.

*EDIT- I forgot the one thing I wanted to say???  Your casting this thing (pure materialism) as somehow being the ultimate state of atheism burt is a gross error.  I don’t think atheism in any way points to pure materialism, and it’s a mistake to cast it in that direction.  There is mystery and the unknown for atheists, but not for materialists ultimately.
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Could be, it’s all tangled up in what sort of definitions get used.  I’ve read some people (Steven Weinberg and Francis Crick come to mind) who seem to be at least 90% full blown.  The thing is, it seems to me that a person could be a 100% materialist and still find mystery in the world.  I take it though that for you atheism is different, meaning something like the rejection of established religion due to insufficient evidence and so on.  Could you say more?

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[quote author=“burt”]
Could be, it’s all tangled up in what sort of definitions get used.  I’ve read some people (Steven Weinberg and Francis Crick come to mind) who seem to be at least 90% full blown.  The thing is, it seems to me that a person could be a 100% materialist and still find mystery in the world.  I take it though that for you atheism is different, meaning something like the rejection of established religion due to insufficient evidence and so on.  Could you say more?

Absolutely it’s all tangled in definitions. This thread is about atheism, but my use of it might be better termed agnosticism. Agnosticism allows for the possibility that there could be a god. But my use of agnosticism says that any god put forward so far by any religion, and in fact, any conceivable god is not that god. Especially when people tell me they know the one true god, because they “know it in their heart.” The more people “know” God, the more I doubt them. So my definition of agnosticism is another man’s athiesm.

Also, a belief in materialism does not eliminate anything. “Spiritualism” still exists, even if only in our minds, as software exists on computers. To those who believe it, it is their reality. Salt Creek, please bring us back to “objective reality.”

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I also think the more natural state of mind tends to superstition. Atheism is the rational alternative. I am agnostic only to the extent that I am agnostic about the possibility that my desk will one day talk to me.

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[quote author=“mentor”]I agree with Burt in part that religious belief is natural. Natural in the evolutionary sense. But as far as the brain being hard-wired for it, I don’t think that is accurate. I think it is really more of a trick of logic, similar to an optical illusion. The problem is this: one cannot imagine not being able to imagine. It’s like asking someone to draw a picture of what the world would look like if you were blind. The brain does seem to be hard wired with the ability to “fill in the blanks” of our understanding. Just like the blind spots in our vision are filled in by our visual cortex, the blindspots in our imagination are filled in by a placeholder called “God”, or in more thoughtfull people it’s “things I don’t understand or can’t even imagine.”

Each one of us has to build our understanding from essentially nothing, to however far we can get in our brief lifetimes. A baby believes that her consciousness encompasses everything. It only slowly dawns on her that mom’s thoughts are different than hers. Perhaps the insistance that there is a universal consciousness or an all knowing god is a manifestation of our desire to hold onto that simple infantile state of being that each of us starts with. Belief in the supernatural is an expression of our desire to not want to grow up. Perhaps resestance to growing up is hard wired, and in that sense, our tendency toward irrational belief is too. Or maybe it’s just easyer to make something up than to find the truth.

 

Maybe saying hardwired was not a great way to say it.  I was thinking of the way that a neural net evolved for survival in this world, and capable of abstract thought and language, would operate.  I think you say it better though.  I’ve recommended a websearch on the term “cognitive illusions” (or equivalently, “heuristics and biases”) to get information on the psychological research on the sorts of illusions we’re prone to.  Another is the almost automatic projection of intentionality.  I would disagree that the idea of a universal consciousness is based in a desire to hold on to an infantile state of being.  That may be for some people, but for others it may be a result of experience of “consciousness without an object”, when everything is taken away.  The error is assume that this universal consciousness was anything like our personal self-consciousness.

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[quote author=“burt”][quote author=“mentor”]
Maybe saying hardwired was not a great way to say it.  I was thinking of the way that a neural net evolved for survival in this world, and capable of abstract thought and language, would operate.  I think you say it better though.  I’ve recommended a websearch on the term “cognitive illusions” (or equivalently, “heuristics and biases”) to get information on the psychological research on the sorts of illusions we’re prone to.  Another is the almost automatic projection of intentionality.  I would disagree that the idea of a universal consciousness is based in a desire to hold on to an infantile state of being.  That may be for some people, but for others it may be a result of experience of “consciousness without an object”, when everything is taken away.  The error is assume that this universal consciousness was anything like our personal self-consciousness.

The idea of universal consiousness without an object is an interesting one. So far it appears that it can’t be proven. So far all examples of consciousness ever documented are dependent upon the existence of brains. Harris and others bring up the idea that such states of consciousness require one to let go of the “self” but IMO, they still occur exlusively within the confines of one’s brain. Perhaps consciousness always requires a brain, either biological or mechanical. Even if such consciousness is restricted by nature to be “one per box,” this limitation would not preclude them from becoming of “one mind” as they approach a more perfect understanding of nature itself.

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