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25 July 2008 22:32
 

Apollo 14 astronaut claims aliens HAVE made contact - but it has been covered up for 60 years
July 24, 2008 12:01am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1037471/Apollo-14-astronaut-claims-aliens-HAVE-contact—covered-60-years.html

FORMER NASA astronaut and moon-walker Dr Edgar Mitchell - a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission - has stunningly claimed aliens exist.  And he says extra-terrestrials have visited Earth on several occasions - but the alien contact has been repeatedly covered up by governments for six decades.

Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as ‘little people who look strange to us.’  He said supposedly real-life ET’s were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head. Chillingly, he claimed our technology is “not nearly as sophisticated” as theirs and “had they been hostile”, he warned “we would be been gone by now”.

Dr Mitchell, along with with Apollo 14 commander Alan Shepard, holds the record for the longest ever moon walk, at nine hours and 17 minutes following their 1971 mission.

“I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we’ve been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real,” Dr Mitchell said. “It’s been well covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so, but slowly it’s leaked out and some of us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it. “I’ve been in military and intelligence circles, who know that beneath the surface of what has been public knowledge, yes - we have been visited. Reading the papers recently, it’s been happening quite a bit.”

Dr Mitchell, who has a Bachelor of Science degree in aeronautical engineering and a Doctor of Science degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics claimed Roswell was real and similar alien visits continue to be investigated. He told the astonished Kerrang! radio host Nick Margerrison: “This is really starting to open up. I think we’re headed for real disclosure and some serious organisations are moving in that direction.”

Mr Margerrison said: “I thought I’d stumbled on some sort of astronaut humour but he was absolutely serious that aliens are definitely out there and there’s no debating it.”

Officials from NASA, however, were quick to play the comments down. In a statement, a spokesman said: “NASA does not track UFOs. NASA is not involved in any sort of cover up about alien life on this planet or anywhere in the universe. ‘Dr Mitchell is a great American, but we do not share his opinions on this issue.’

[ Edited: 25 July 2008 22:35 by JET]
 
 
 
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26 July 2008 06:44
 

I personally think they covered something up in Roswell, but I dont’ know what to think about this. It’s possible that there are aliens out there with the technology to visit us. But until they come down and say Hey, Everybody, we’re real! I remain skeptical.

 
 
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26 July 2008 08:36
 

I, too, remain skeptical.  Perhaps Mitchell is going senile - I don’t know. 

I typically categorize “woo” as that to which people cling regarding claims of supernatural b.s.  This technically wouldn’t qualify as woo to me.  If it were true, then “wow!” or “ooh!”

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26 July 2008 09:04
 

Dr Mitchell is a great American, but we do not share his opinions on this issue.

The euphemisms of scientists and engineers (when speaking on the record) are works of genius in the art of understatement.

Aaron - 26 July 2008 12:36 PM

I, too, remain skeptical.  Perhaps Mitchell is going senile - I don’t know.

I think it is safe to assume that Mitchell has lost some salt out of his shaker. This is the sort of euphemism that Mitchell’s flyboy buddies would apply to him, over some scotch.

rab - 26 July 2008 10:44 AM

I personally think they covered something up in Roswell, but I dont’ know what to think about this. It’s possible that there are aliens out there with the technology to visit us. But until they come down and say Hey, Everybody, we’re real! I remain skeptical.

IOW, you waste a certain amount of energy thinking about bullshit. The work of propping the door open should not be underestimated. Before aliens show up, talking about them is a balloon ride on some hot air.

This is the sort of euphemism that I use in lieu of outright calling someone a fuckwit.

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26 July 2008 10:54
 

If I understand evolution correctly it is unlikely in the extreme that aliens will look anything like us, so I am going with woo.

Besides that, I couldn’t care less about aliens as a philandering flight attendant is a-waiting.

 
 
 
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26 July 2008 12:54
 

Sander - 26 July 2008 01:54 PM
Besides that, I couldn’t care less about aliens as a philandering flight attendant is a-waiting.

Sander: 25 July 2008 11:24 AM
We are meeting up for a drink in a pub at 6PM Saturday.

Sander: 25 July 2008 12:40 PM
But today, it is all hugs, giggles and free beer for everyone.

You’ve just got to love a man who’s got his priorities right.  Freud was right: It’s all about p…

 
 
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JETurnbull - 26 July 2008 04:54 PM

You’ve just got to love a man who’s got his priorities right.  Freud was right: It’s all about p…

Poetry ? Peloponnesus ? Portuguese Pundits ?

Sorry, you lost me.

 
 
 
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26 July 2008 13:15
 
Sander - 26 July 2008 05:05 PM
JETurnbull - 26 July 2008 04:54 PM

You’ve just got to love a man who’s got his priorities right.  Freud was right: It’s all about p…

Poetry ? Peloponnesus ? Portuguese Pundits ?

Sorry, you lost me.

Help him out here, Salty.

 
 
 
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26 July 2008 13:19
 
JETurnbull - 26 July 2008 04:54 PM

Sander - 26 July 2008 01:54 PM
Besides that, I couldn’t care less about aliens as a philandering flight attendant is a-waiting.

Sander: 25 July 2008 11:24 AM
We are meeting up for a drink in a pub at 6PM Saturday.

Sander: 25 July 2008 12:40 PM
But today, it is all hugs, giggles and free beer for everyone.

You’ve just got to love a man who’s got his priorities right.  Freud was right: It’s all about p…

And Sander-Man, we’ll be looking for a full report tomorrow morning (scratch that, hopefully in the afternoon if things go well).  Don’t spare the details.

[ Edited: 26 July 2008 13:23 by JET]
 
 
 
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26 July 2008 13:39
 
JETurnbull - 26 July 2008 05:15 PM
Sander - 26 July 2008 05:05 PM
JETurnbull - 26 July 2008 04:54 PM

You’ve just got to love a man who’s got his priorities right.  Freud was right: It’s all about p…

Poetry ? Peloponnesus ? Portuguese Pundits ?

Sorry, you lost me.

Give up?
....philocomal?
......phoenicurous?
........Getting warmer!

 
 
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JETurnbull - 26 July 2008 05:39 PM

Give up?
....philocomal?
......phoenicurous?
........Getting warmer!

Pretty vertical smile perhaps ?

 
 
 
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26 July 2008 13:52
 
Sander - 26 July 2008 05:47 PM
JETurnbull - 26 July 2008 05:39 PM

Give up?
....philocomal?
......phoenicurous?
........Getting warmer!

Pretty vertical smile perhaps ?

...Peramene?
......Panmixis?
.........Pandiculation??
Colder, warmer, colder…
.....Plew
Getting hotter!

 
 
 
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26 July 2008 16:46
 
Sander - 26 July 2008 05:05 PM
JETurnbull - 26 July 2008 04:54 PM

You’ve just got to love a man who’s got his priorities right.  Freud was right: It’s all about p…

Poetry ? Peloponnesus ? Portuguese Pundits ?

Sorry, you lost me.

PERSONALITY!!!

 
 
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26 July 2008 22:21
 
rab - 26 July 2008 08:46 PM
Sander - 26 July 2008 05:05 PM
JETurnbull - 26 July 2008 04:54 PM

You’ve just got to love a man who’s got his priorities right.  Freud was right: It’s all about p…

Poetry ? Peloponnesus ? Portuguese Pundits ?

Sorry, you lost me.

PERSONALITY!!!

rab comes through!

 
 
 
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26 July 2008 22:41
 

Now back to our regularly scheduled program…

Salt Creek: 26 July 2008 11:53 AM
“…we do not require a supernatural explanation for them.  For stuff that can only be “explained” supernaturally, “I don’t know” is a better response.”

…I must agree.  This simple statement (“I don’t know”) is the beginning of all good science.  Problems arise when there is a genuine “don’t know” and those who can “know,” don’t bother.  It comes down to one of these three: 1) They’re making it up, 2) They’re fucking crazies, or 3) What they say happened, happened.  Good science has to consider all three.

As for the woo or wow factor, either the government has spent countless millions training demented, psycho, testosterone poisoned lunatic flyboys with the “wrong stuff” to be bivouacked across the zenith, or we’re missing one of (if not) the greatest stories in the history of civilization…

Scott Carpenter, Mercury 7 astronaut…
“At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs.”

Colonel L. Gordon Cooper, Mercury and Gemini Astronaut, testifying before the United Nations in 1985 after announcing that he had seen and chased UFOs over Germany in the 1950s.  Cooper also reported a greenish object, which passed by his capsule going east to west (opposite normal man-made orbits) while in orbit in May of 1963…

“I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets…  Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth.  I feel that we need to have a top level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion. . . . For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts.  I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us.  And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public.

“I was furthermore a witness to an extraordinary phenomenon, here on this planet Earth.  It happened a few months ago in Florida.  There I saw with my own eyes a defined area of ground being consumed by flames, with four indentations left by a flying object which had descended in the middle of a field.  Beings had left the craft (there were other traces to prove this).  They seemed to have studied topography, they had collected soil samples and, eventually, they returned to where they had come from, disappearing at enormous speed. . . . I happen to know that authority did just about everything to keep this incident from the press and TV, in fear of a panicky reaction from the public.”

Eugene Cernan, commander of Apollo 17, In a Los Angeles Times article in 1973 he said, about UFOs…

”...I’ve been asked (about UFOs) and I’ve said publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization.”

Donald Slayton, one of the original Mercury 7 astronauts, revealed in an interview he had seen UFOs in 1951…

“I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high.  As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, gray and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn’t look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk.
“About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me — and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared.”

Maurice Chatelain
In 1979 NASA’s Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. Chatelain believes that some UFOs may come from our own solar system — specifically Titan…

“The encounter was common knowledge in NASA, but nobody has talked about it until now. . . . all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence.”

Cosmonaut Victor Afanasyev commenting on a UFO sighting that occurred while en route to the Solyut 6 space station in April of 1979…

“It followed us during half of our orbit.  We observed it on the light side, and when we entered the shadow side, it disappeared completely.  It was an engineered structure, made from some type of metal, approximately 40 meters long with inner hulls.  The object was narrow here and wider here, and inside there were openings.  Some places had projections like small wings.  The object stayed very close to us.  We photographed it, and our photos showed it to be 23 to 28 meters away.”

Victor Marchetti, former Special Assistant to the Executive Director of the CIA, in an article written by him for Second Look entitled “How the CIA Views the UFO Phenomenon Vol 1, No 7,” Washington, DC, May, 1979…

“We have, indeed, been contacted-perhaps even visited-by extraterrestrial beings, and the US government, in collusion with the other national powers of the Earth, is determined to keep this information from the general public.”

[ Edited: 26 July 2008 22:51 by JET]
 
 
 
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JETurnbull - 27 July 2008 02:41 AM

As for the woo or wow factor, either the government has spent countless millions training demented, psycho, testosterone poisoned lunatic flyboys with the “wrong stuff” to be bivouacked across the zenith, or we’re missing one of (if not) the greatest stories in the history of civilization…

That’s simply the C.S. Lewis lunatic/liar/Lord argument as reimagined by Ray Harryhausen or Steven Spielberg. If Earth has not (yet) been visited by alien races, it’s a mistake to assume that belief in such visitors could only be caused by mental illness. That ignores the possibility that Edgar Mitchell may be in full possession of his faculties but may simply be making a factual error.

Honest skepticism would not rule out the possibility of either alien visitors or a government coverup, but would also demand hard evidence for claims of both. This is especially true of the latter, since it’s too convenient to claim the latter to explain the lack of evidence for the former.

 
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