What is a deistic atheist?

 
 
Avatar
 
 
ooo
Total Posts:  240
Joined  02-09-2008
 
 
 
03 December 2008 14:39
 

IS est Touché Teutcher. 

And Beams, ‘tis I the fuckwit.

 
 
Avatar
 
 
Beam
Total Posts:  1619
Joined  02-04-2008
 
 
 
03 December 2008 15:25
 
little baby cheeses - 03 December 2008 07:39 PM

IS est Touché Teutcher. 

And Beams, ‘tis I the fuckwit.

No worries mate. May the great flying pasta dish be with you.

 
 
Immediate Suppression
 
Avatar
 
 
Immediate Suppression
Total Posts:  205
Joined  19-10-2008
 
 
 
03 December 2008 18:03
 
SkepticX - 03 December 2008 12:23 AM

A “deistic atheist” is kind of like a “square circle.” It doesn’t matter if someone is confused enough to believe the square circle is his favorite geometric shape. It’s still an oxymoron.

Keep in mind what I wrote in my first post:

Immediate Suppression - 02 December 2008 07:03 PM

The definition of the word atheist isn’t strictly confined to an acknowledgment of the nonexistence of Gods.  It also is defined, as the word itself implies, as the rejection of theism.

Question them(deistic atheists) if you want, make fun of them if you want, but you have no other option but to take them at their word when they say they are an atheist.

And they are justified in calling themselves atheists, based upon the obvious meaning behind the word.  A person who considers themselves not typical could call themselves atypical.  A person who considers themselves not theistic can call themselves atheistic; or an atheist, even if that person does have some deist tendencies.

 
 
 
Avatar
 
 
camanintx
Total Posts:  754
Joined  16-08-2006
 
 
 
03 December 2008 18:46
 
Immediate Suppression - 03 December 2008 11:03 PM

A person who considers themselves not theistic can call themselves atheistic; or an atheist, even if that person does have some deist tendencies.

Since a theist is someone who believes in a god or gods, then by definition an atheist does not believe in any god or gods.

 
 
Immediate Suppression
 
Avatar
 
 
Immediate Suppression
Total Posts:  205
Joined  19-10-2008
 
 
 
03 December 2008 22:46
 
camanintx - 03 December 2008 11:46 PM
Immediate Suppression - 03 December 2008 11:03 PM

A person who considers themselves not theistic can call themselves atheistic; or an atheist, even if that person does have some deist tendencies.

Since a theist is someone who believes in a god or gods, then by definition an atheist does not believe in any god or gods.

Not necessarrilly.  Look at the definition of theology to get a broader perspective.

It says Theology: the study of religious faith, practice, and experience  ; especially : the study of God and of God’s relation to the world


It says especially the study of God, but it doesn’t necessarily say the study of God or Gods. 

Now keep in mind, some religions don’t involve a belief in a God, such as Jainism, or Buddhism, yet they are still considered religions, and are thus theological.  So a person could be opposed to these types of religions, and they therefore consider themselves atheological; or an atheist.  And they could believe in a God, or universal spirit, themselves; and thus not be in violation of the definition of the word atheist.

So by definition, a person who is an atheist can be have deistic beliefs.

[ Edited: 04 December 2008 00:17 by Immediate Suppression]
 
 
 
Avatar
 
 
Beam
Total Posts:  1619
Joined  02-04-2008
 
 
 
04 December 2008 07:00
 
Immediate Suppression - 04 December 2008 03:46 AM
camanintx - 03 December 2008 11:46 PM
Immediate Suppression - 03 December 2008 11:03 PM

A person who considers themselves not theistic can call themselves atheistic; or an atheist, even if that person does have some deist tendencies.

Since a theist is someone who believes in a god or gods, then by definition an atheist does not believe in any god or gods.

Not necessarrilly.  Look at the definition of theology to get a broader perspective.

It says Theology: the study of religious faith, practice, and experience  ; especially : the study of God and of God’s relation to the world


It says especially the study of God, but it doesn’t necessarily say the study of God or Gods. 

Now keep in mind, some religions don’t involve a belief in a God, such as Jainism, or Buddhism, yet they are still considered religions, and are thus theological.  So a person could be opposed to these types of religions, and they therefore consider themselves atheological; or an atheist.  And they could believe in a God, or universal spirit, themselves; and thus not be in violation of the definition of the word atheist.

So by definition, a person who is an atheist can be have deistic beliefs.

Image Attachments
 
98212~Stupidity-Park-Elsewhere-Posters.jpg
 
 
 
 
Avatar
 
 
camanintx
Total Posts:  754
Joined  16-08-2006
 
 
 
04 December 2008 14:21
 
Immediate Suppression - 04 December 2008 03:46 AM
camanintx - 03 December 2008 11:46 PM
Immediate Suppression - 03 December 2008 11:03 PM

A person who considers themselves not theistic can call themselves atheistic; or an atheist, even if that person does have some deist tendencies.

Since a theist is someone who believes in a god or gods, then by definition an atheist does not believe in any god or gods.

Not necessarrilly.  Look at the definition of theology to get a broader perspective.

It says Theology: the study of religious faith, practice, and experience  ; especially : the study of God and of God’s relation to the world


It says especially the study of God, but it doesn’t necessarily say the study of God or Gods. 

Now keep in mind, some religions don’t involve a belief in a God, such as Jainism, or Buddhism, yet they are still considered religions, and are thus theological.  So a person could be opposed to these types of religions, and they therefore consider themselves atheological; or an atheist.  And they could believe in a God, or universal spirit, themselves; and thus not be in violation of the definition of the word atheist.

So by definition, a person who is an atheist can be have deistic beliefs.

Atheism (lack of belief in god) is not the same as an atheology (antagonism to theology).

 
 
Immediate Suppression
 
Avatar
 
 
Immediate Suppression
Total Posts:  205
Joined  19-10-2008
 
 
 
04 December 2008 23:28
 
camanintx - 19 December 2008 06:33 PM
Immediate Suppression - 19 December 2008 05:45 PM

Deistic atheists probably have more in common with traditional atheists than normal atheists would like to admit.  Namely, an opposition to religion.

If they believe in a deity but are opposed to religion, then they are antireligious, not atheist, despite what they may call themselves.

You are still going with the very narrow, limited definition of atheist.  You just cited wikipedia as a reference, yet you refuse to acknowledge the wikipedia definition of atheism which leaves the door open for deistic atheism:

Atheism, as an explicit position, can be either the affirmation of the nonexistence of gods,[1] or the rejection of theism.[2]

[ Edited: 19 December 2008 14:22 by Immediate Suppression]
 
 
 
Avatar
 
 
camanintx
Total Posts:  754
Joined  16-08-2006
 
 
 
05 December 2008 10:34
 
Immediate Suppression - 05 December 2008 04:28 AM

As I have said previously, that is simply too narrow of a definition of atheism, especially when so many atheists have deistic tendencies.  Here is what wikipedia defines atheism as, a more complete description which leaves the door open for deistic atheism:

Atheism, as an explicit position, can be either the affirmation of the nonexistence of gods,[1] or the rejection of theism.[2]

Once again, theism (the belief in god) is not the same as theology (the study of god). Since you agree that atheism is the rejection of theism then you would also agree that deistic atheism is an oxymoron.

 
 
Immediate Suppression
 
Avatar
 
 
Immediate Suppression
Total Posts:  205
Joined  19-10-2008
 
 
 
16 December 2008 17:53
 
camanintx - 05 December 2008 03:34 PM
Immediate Suppression - 05 December 2008 04:28 AM

As I have said previously, that is simply too narrow of a definition of atheism, especially when so many atheists have deistic tendencies.  Here is what wikipedia defines atheism as, a more complete description which leaves the door open for deistic atheism:

Atheism, as an explicit position, can be either the affirmation of the nonexistence of gods,[1] or the rejection of theism.[2]

Once again, theism (the belief in god) is not the same as theology (the study of god). Since you agree that atheism is the rejection of theism then you would also agree that deistic atheism is an oxymoron.

It is what it is, deistic atheism.  You can have your narrow definitions if you choose to, but I’ll go with the broader definition, and with the fact that deistic atheist’s do in fact exist.  Make fun of them if you want to, call them confused, but like I said in my first post, when the polls are taken, they are counted as atheists.  And that is a difficult point to argue with.

 
 
Eaton Shirdlu
 
Avatar
 
 
Eaton Shirdlu
Total Posts:  80
Joined  13-12-2006
 
 
 
17 December 2008 08:35
 
Immodium Suppository - 16 December 2008 10:53 PM

It is what it is, deistic atheism.  You can have your narrow definitions if you choose to, but I’ll go with the broader definition, and with the fact that deistic atheist’s do in fact exist.  Make fun of them if you want to, call them confused, but like I said in my first post, when the polls are taken, they are counted as atheists.  And that is a difficult point to argue with.

Hi, Immodium. I see you’re still promoting your ideas about deistic atheists. What’s the point of an afterlife if there is not an interventionist God? If you’re not reincarnated as a material being, what can you do but haunt the living?

I mean, what’s the point? Certainly it isn’t just to pull faces at non-deistic atheists, is it?

You can call yourself an atheist with any amount of decoration, but the other atheists are not going to invite you into the atheist clubhouse you so much seem to want to get into. Your kind of misery doesn’t like company, and the other atheists know it.

[ Edited: 17 December 2008 08:39 by Eaton Shirdlu]
 
goodgraydrab
 
Avatar
 
 
goodgraydrab
Total Posts:  7845
Joined  19-12-2007
 
 
 
17 December 2008 09:08
 
Immediate Suppression - 02 December 2008 07:03 PM

Question them if you want, make fun of them if you want, but you have no other option but to take them at their word when they say they are an atheist.  And when the polls are taken, they are counted as atheists.

Who are these people? Show me the poll. Apparently, you’re highly prone to limiting your own options.

 
 
goodgraydrab
 
Avatar
 
 
goodgraydrab
Total Posts:  7845
Joined  19-12-2007
 
 
 
17 December 2008 10:49
 

A deist by any other name does not an atheist make. A fuckwit is a fuckwit! That’s something I can and do acknowledge on its face.

 
 
 
Avatar
 
 
Traces Elk
Total Posts:  5591
Joined  27-09-2006
 
 
 
17 December 2008 11:44
 
goodgraydrab - 17 December 2008 03:49 PM

A fuckwit is a fuckwit!

That’s a tautology. Immediate Suppresion is a fuckwit. That’s an observation.

 
 
Immediate Suppression
 
Avatar
 
 
Immediate Suppression
Total Posts:  205
Joined  19-10-2008
 
 
 
17 December 2008 12:09
 
Eaton Shirdlu - 17 December 2008 01:35 PM
Immodium Suppository - 16 December 2008 10:53 PM

It is what it is, deistic atheism.  You can have your narrow definitions if you choose to, but I’ll go with the broader definition, and with the fact that deistic atheist’s do in fact exist.  Make fun of them if you want to, call them confused, but like I said in my first post, when the polls are taken, they are counted as atheists.  And that is a difficult point to argue with.

I mean, what’s the point? Certainly it isn’t just to pull faces at non-deistic atheists, is it?

The point is to make a valid point:  That deistic atheists do exist.  And judging by the clear lack of oppostion to my ideas, I have established that it is a valid point.  Hardly anyone on this thread has even quoted my ideas and attempted to actually argue against them, they have desperately resorted to personal attacks for the most part, which just shows they have nothing to say in opposition to my ideas.

Eaton Shirdlu - 17 December 2008 01:35 PM

You can call yourself an atheist with any amount of decoration, but the other atheists are not going to invite you into the atheist clubhouse you so much seem to want to get into. Your kind of misery doesn’t like company, and the other atheists know it.

I’ve never called myself an atheist, and I have no worries about not being invited into the atheist clubhouse.  Actually, even if I was invited into the atheist clubhouse, I would have to politely decline.  I have plenty of friends in my life off the internet, and don’t have any social voids in my life which I feel need to be provided for by writing and reading on the internet atheist forum.  But I have appreciated the messages some have sent me in support of some of the projects I have been pursuing in this forum.