What is a deistic atheist?

 
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17 December 2008 13:43
 
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goodgraydrab - 17 December 2008 05:33 PM

Just for the record, I was referring to deistic atheists as fuckwits.

Like I said in my original post, criticize them, make fun of them if you want, even call them uncivil vulgar names like you just did there.  But when the polls are taken, they are counted as atheists.

As any rational person would realize, the fact that someone who believes in a personal god (6% of atheists in the most recent poll you cite) self-identifies as an atheist does not prove that 6% of atheists believe in a personal god; it proves that a number of the sample is wholly illiterate.

And your reliance on this figure of 20% of the people sampled being too stupid to even understand the question they were answering as proving that 20% of atheists believe in god only establishes that you are a moron.

As to you dishonesty, it has been repeatedly pointed out to you over the many threads you have started, and if you are too dishonest to acknowledge that, well…

 
 
 
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17 December 2008 14:03
 

Intelligence Suspended – What is a deistic atheist?

 
 
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17 December 2008 17:50
 
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I have never lied in this forum.  If I have, please point out where.

I also have never been dishonest.  There was one time where I cut & pasted a definition of spinal biffida without sourcing it, someone made a big deal over it out of desperation, so I went back and cited it.

And I have never been manipulative, though I can understand why some might feel that way possibly out of embarrassment because they inadvertently helped out in some of my projects in this forum.

GAD - 17 December 2008 05:49 PM

Your lying and being dishonest and manipulative right now.

No, I am not.  Everything I said in the quote above is the truth.

GAD - 17 December 2008 05:49 PM

I caught you changing quotes.

No, you did not.  I never changed what anyone wrote, as you just falsely implied.  I have interrupted sentences by writing: .... , which is an accepted writing practice. I’ll actually do it again with your last sentence here in this post.

GAD - 17 December 2008 05:49 PM

I caught you making false statements about other posters participating in your projects and agreeing with your statements.

No, you did not.  I never made any false claims about anything.  I did say other posters participated in examining statements in this thread, which is the truth.  Take a look for yourself to see the evidence.

GAD - 17 December 2008 05:49 PM

and I caught you cross posting quotes out of context between your threads to make it appear that people supported your views.

No, actually you never did.  I will openly acknowledge that the vast majority of the posters in here disagree with my ideas.  It really doesn’t bother me at all, in case you haven’t noticed.  The messages of support I have received from other Sam Harris.org members more than make up for it, especially considering that so many of the posts directed towards me contain little of substance; such as those from people like Beam or Salt Creek. 

Dennis has agreed with me at times to a certain extent, and I have quoted him in some of those instances.  I have also quoted him when he hasn’t agreed with me.

GAD - 17 December 2008 05:49 PM

It’s back in the threads if you haven’t doctored it…

Yes, it is.  Anyone who is curious can take a look at the evidence.

GAD - 17 December 2008 05:49 PM

... and if anyone cares enough to look, I don’t.

Possibly because the facts would not support your assertions?

 
 
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17 December 2008 17:54
 
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goodgraydrab - 17 December 2008 05:33 PM

Just for the record, I was referring to deistic atheists as fuckwits.

Like I said in my original post, criticize them, make fun of them if you want, even call them uncivil vulgar names like you just did there.  But when the polls are taken, they are counted as atheists.

As any rational person would realize, the fact that someone who believes in a personal god (6% of atheists in the most recent poll you cite) self-identifies as an atheist does not prove that 6% of atheists believe in a personal god; it proves that a number of the sample is wholly illiterate.

And your reliance on this figure of 20% of the people sampled being too stupid to even understand the question they were answering as proving that 20% of atheists believe in god only establishes that you are a moron.

I’ll admit that I don’t know the exact percentage of atheists who believe in a God or higher power, it is possibly less than 20%.  But nevertheless, a significant portion of atheist do have deistic beliefs, and for that reason they are deistic atheists.

 
 
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17 December 2008 18:17
 
teuchter - 17 December 2008 06:43 PM

As any rational person would realize, the fact that someone who believes in a personal god (6% of atheists in the most recent poll you cite) self-identifies as an atheist does not prove that 6% of atheists believe in a personal god; it proves that a number of the sample is wholly illiterate.

It’s not so much the people who self-identify as atheists who believe in a personal god, but the researchers who don’t throw out these samples. Social research is funny. It’s about reporting what people say, not about whether the data mean anything.

 
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I’ll admit that I don’t know the exact percentage of atheists who believe in a God or higher power, it is possibly less than 20%.  But nevertheless, a significant portion of atheist do have deistic beliefs, and for that reason they are deistic atheists.

Which part is more important for a non-religious deist? To be an “atheist” or to believe in a God or a higher power? I would think the latter. Calling oneself a non-religious deist seems to make more sense. But some people are not only opposed to religion, they are opposed to making sense.

 
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18 December 2008 06:47
 
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I’ll admit that I don’t know the exact percentage of atheists who believe in a God or higher power, it is possibly less than 20%.  But nevertheless, a significant portion of atheist do have deistic beliefs, and for that reason they are deistic atheists.

Put another way, some number of people who say they are believers in a creator-god (deists) also say they are without a belief in a creator-god (atheists). It’s obvious that they don’t know what they are, and it’s more than simple percentages that you don’t know. Make sure that you defend the validity of our poll taken here with as much vigor, our belief that you and they are fuckwistic idiotists. Say what you will, but in the end that’s the count ... a reliable 100%.

[later corrected for greater accuracy with the addition, “who say they are”/“also say they are”]

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18 December 2008 12:45
 
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The point is to make a valid point:  That deistic atheists do exist.  And judging by the clear lack of oppostion to my ideas, I have established that it is a valid point.

Because a circle calls itself a square doesn’t prove that square circles exist, just that stupid circles do.

 
 
 
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The point is to make a valid point:  That deistic atheists do exist.  And judging by the clear lack of oppostion to my ideas, I have established that it is a valid point.

Because a circle calls itself a square doesn’t prove that square circles exist, just that stupid circles do.

It does in IS’ world.

 
 
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19 December 2008 12:12
 

Perhaps IS can gleen from this that to get from Atheism to Deism or vice versa requires a conversion, not a union. Also, with regards to responders to the poll he cites, Atheist may be mistaken for the proper use of Irreligion in a Deistic context. Other than that, I think we’ve exhausted every avenue of assistance that might benefit the poor guy’s mind.

http://www.biola.edu/antonyflew/page6.cfm#8

http://www.moderndeism.com/

 
 
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The point is to make a valid point:  That deistic atheists do exist.  And judging by the clear lack of oppostion to my ideas, I have established that it is a valid point.

Because a circle calls itself a square doesn’t prove that square circles exist, just that stupid circles do.

That is such a bad analogy that I won’t even play along with it. 

Deistic atheists probably have more in common with traditional atheists than normal atheists would like to admit.  Namely, an opposition to religion.  And I would be surprised if many deistic atheists are very open with their deistic beliefs, in terms of openly expressing them in public.  They might simply have the beliefs as sort of an internal comfort of sorts.

 
 
 
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19 December 2008 13:33
 
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Deistic atheists probably have more in common with traditional atheists than normal atheists would like to admit.  Namely, an opposition to religion.

If they believe in a deity but are opposed to religion, then they are antireligious, not atheist, despite what they may call themselves.

 
 
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goodgraydrab - 19 December 2008 05:12 PM

Perhaps IS can gleen from this that to get from Atheism to Deism or vice versa requires a conversion, not a union.

While a conversion is usually, though not always, necessary for one to become part of a religion, no conversion is necessary to have deistic beliefs.  You simply have to have deistic beliefs.

 
 
 
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goodgraydrab - 19 December 2008 05:12 PM

Perhaps IS can gleen from this that to get from Atheism to Deism or vice versa requires a conversion, not a union.

While a conversion is usually, though not always, necessary for one to become part of a religion, no conversion is necessary to have deistic beliefs.  You simply have to have deistic beliefs.

All that’s required to become part of a religion is the delusion that there is safety in numbers.

Deistic beliefs, plus a shiny coin, will buy you a brightly-colored gumball. Chew it carefully so as not to die by choking.

 
 
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19 December 2008 16:08
 
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The point is to make a valid point:  That deistic atheists do exist.  And judging by the clear lack of oppostion to my ideas, I have established that it is a valid point.

Because a circle calls itself a square doesn’t prove that square circles exist, just that stupid circles do.

That is such a bad analogy that I won’t even play along with it. 

Deistic atheists probably have more in common with traditional atheists than normal atheists would like to admit.  Namely, an opposition to religion.  And I would be surprised if many deistic atheists are very open with their deistic beliefs, in terms of openly expressing them in public.  They might simply have the beliefs as sort of an internal comfort of sorts.

The analogy is perfect in regards to your thought process.

You mention above: deistic atheists, traditional atheists and normal atheists and we’re supposed to figure out what you’re talking about when you don’t even know.

While a conversion is usually, though not always, necessary for one to become part of a religion, no conversion is necessary to have deistic beliefs.  You simply have to have deistic beliefs.

Again, you’re attempting for others to pretend they think you know what you’re talking about. You can’t be atheist and simply adopt deist. You have to drop one for the other, otherwise it’s non-existent nonsense. Antireligious or Irreligious is what you’re looking for as a sub-class of deist. Your insistence just makes me think you were a poll participant.

[ Edited: 19 December 2008 16:15 by goodgraydrab]