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Argo
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24 May 2009 11:00
 

And the critical thinking skills they acquire will aid them in determining WHEN to be tolerant of a belief and when not to. If a Muslim kid believes that Muhammed (PBUH) rode a winged horse to heaven and saw Allah, that’s okay.

I wonder if anyone else here agrees with that, and why?

I do agree with everyone about complete and open discourse with kids. We bullshit kids, and it doesn’t help our society. Make kids smart and completely educated about the world and many realms of bullshittery will shut down within their lifetime.

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24 May 2009 11:57
 
Josh - 24 May 2009 12:33 PM

They can use their acquired, and finely tuned, critical thinking skills to objectively discuss whether a cigarette is better when smoked, or UNSMOKED. What is your opinion in this area?

You’re Joshing, right?

 
 
 
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Argo - 24 May 2009 03:00 PM

And the critical thinking skills they acquire will aid them in determining WHEN to be tolerant of a belief and when not to. If a Muslim kid believes that Muhammed (PBUH) rode a winged horse to heaven and saw Allah, that’s okay.

I wonder if anyone else here agrees with that, and why?

I do agree with everyone about complete and open discourse with kids. We bullshit kids, and it doesn’t help our society. Make kids smart and completely educated about the world and many realms of bullshittery will shut down within their lifetime.

If a kid grew up believing in Santa Claus he or she would be considered mentally ill, or ‘culturally impaired’ or something like that.

But it’s okay to grow up believing that Muhammed rode a winged horse to heaven and saw Allah?

This is a point the kids could discuss at their round-table.  Grade 3 or 4?  When would they be ready for a question like this?  As far as public education is concerned, is it okay to grow up believing lies that your parents tell you?  At least 100 million Americans believe absolutely that Genesis is the true story of creation - a particular Mediterranean fable in the world’s library of hundreds or thousands of creation fables.

 
 
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unsmoked - 24 May 2009 04:19 PM

If a kid grew up believing in Santa Claus he or she would be considered mentally ill, or ‘culturally impaired’ or something like that.

But it’s okay to grow up believing that Muhammed rode a winged horse to heaven and saw Allah?

This is a point the kids could discuss at their round-table.  Grade 3 or 4?  When would they be ready for a question like this?

Third grade, when they start to learn cursive writing.

As far as public education is concerned, is it okay to grow up believing lies that your parents tell you?

The law protects them and they continually fight to impose their lies on others.

At least 100 million Americans believe absolutely that Genesis is the true story of creation - a particular Mediterranean fable in the world’s library of hundreds or thousands of creation fables.

Which is why we continually fight for choice and facts.

 
 
 
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Argo - 24 May 2009 03:00 PM

If a Muslim kid believes that Muhammed (PBUH) rode a winged horse to heaven and saw Allah, that’s okay.

I wonder if anyone else here agrees with that, and why?

By “that’s okay”, I was referring to the fact that this belief is not physically HARMING anyone…..any more than does a belief in Santa Claus. Of course there would be in-depth class discussion on what is reasonable to “believe”, in which the Muslim kid could apply critical thinking skills to assess the probability of likelihood that Muhammed really DID fly on a horse with wings.

My point was that the belief that suicide bombing is a good idea is a much more pressing matter to be addressed immediately. Muhammed/winged horse/Allah? That’s okay for now; let’s put that on the back burner while we focus on convincing the Muslim kid that suicide bombing is a BAD IDEA. Once that is out of the way, then we can focus on the more harmless beliefs such as winged horses and flying reindeer.

 
 
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24 May 2009 21:16
 
unsmoked - 24 May 2009 03:57 PM
Josh - 24 May 2009 12:33 PM

They can use their acquired, and finely tuned, critical thinking skills to objectively discuss whether a cigarette is better when smoked, or UNSMOKED. What is your opinion in this area?

You’re Joshing, right?

LOLOLOL. I have no idea why I found this so funny! Perhaps it’s because of this joint that I’ve been un-smoking…..

 
 
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Josh - 25 May 2009 01:16 AM
unsmoked - 24 May 2009 03:57 PM
Josh - 24 May 2009 12:33 PM

They can use their acquired, and finely tuned, critical thinking skills to objectively discuss whether a cigarette is better when smoked, or UNSMOKED. What is your opinion in this area?

You’re Joshing, right?

LOLOLOL. I have no idea why I found this so funny! Perhaps it’s because of this joint that I’ve been un-smoking…..

Well, we all know what it means to uncork a bottle.

 
 
 
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Josh - 25 May 2009 01:12 AM
Argo - 24 May 2009 03:00 PM

If a Muslim kid believes that Muhammed (PBUH) rode a winged horse to heaven and saw Allah, that’s okay.

I wonder if anyone else here agrees with that, and why?

By “that’s okay”, I was referring to the fact that this belief is not physically HARMING anyone…..any more than does a belief in Santa Claus.

I get your point, and I did misunderstand you at first, but I just don’t think a belief in Allah and a belief in Santa Claus are equally harmless at all. I never took Santa Claus seriously because my fellow human beings didn’t either. My fellow human beings took God seriously though. While I was told both could hear my thoughts, I didn’t ever worry about Santa, unless it was Christmas. I worried about God -all- the time, because he was watching me constantly. The very idea of introducing the idea of an omnipotent and omniscient God to a child is abuse.