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29 June 2009 13:31
 

Oftentimes, it’s pathetic the lengths to which theists will go to justify their beliefs:

Pope: Basilica bones belong to apostle St. PaulStory Highlights
Scientific tests prove bones are those of the apostle St. Paul, pope says

Vatican tomb also holds “traces of a precious linen cloth”

Tests were carried out by inserting probe into small opening in sarcophagus
   
ROME, Italy (CNN)—Scientific tests prove (!!??!!) bones housed in the Basilica of St. Paul in Rome are those of the apostle St. Paul himself (!!??!!??!!), according to Pope Benedict XVI.


Pope Benedict XVI looks at the tomb of St. Paul at the Basilica of St. Paul in Rome in 2007.

“Tiny fragments of bone” in the sarcophagus were subjected to carbon dating, showing they “belong to someone who lived in the first or second century,” the pope said in a homily carried on Italian television.

“This seems to confirm the unanimous and undisputed tradition that these are the mortal remains of the Apostle St. Paul,” Benedict said in Sunday’s announcement.

The tomb also holds “traces of a precious linen cloth, purple in color and laminated with pure gold, and a blue colored textile with linen filaments,” the pope said.

The tests were carried out by inserting a probe into a small opening in the sarcophagus, “which had not been opened for many centuries,” the pontiff said. The probe “also revealed the presence of grains of red incense and traces of protein and limestone.”

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29 June 2009 13:51
 
Keep The Reason - 29 June 2009 05:31 PM

Oftentimes, it’s pathetic the lengths to which theists will go to justify their beliefs:

Pope: Basilica bones belong to apostle St. PaulStory Highlights
Scientific tests prove bones are those of the apostle St. Paul, pope says

Vatican tomb also holds “traces of a precious linen cloth”

Tests were carried out by inserting probe into small opening in sarcophagus
   
ROME, Italy (CNN)—Scientific tests prove (!!??!!) bones housed in the Basilica of St. Paul in Rome are those of the apostle St. Paul himself (!!??!!??!!), according to Pope Benedict XVI.


Pope Benedict XVI looks at the tomb of St. Paul at the Basilica of St. Paul in Rome in 2007.

“Tiny fragments of bone” in the sarcophagus were subjected to carbon dating, showing they “belong to someone who lived in the first or second century,” the pope said in a homily carried on Italian television.

“This seems to confirm the unanimous and undisputed tradition that these are the mortal remains of the Apostle St. Paul,” Benedict said in Sunday’s announcement.

The tomb also holds “traces of a precious linen cloth, purple in color and laminated with pure gold, and a blue colored textile with linen filaments,” the pope said.

The tests were carried out by inserting a probe into a small opening in the sarcophagus, “which had not been opened for many centuries,” the pontiff said. The probe “also revealed the presence of grains of red incense and traces of protein and limestone.”

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Hum, it says Paul was beheaded as well, do we know if the body in the tomb was beheaded? Seems like that would be a major point as well.

 
 
 
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29 June 2009 14:58
 

I can never figure out what these sorts of “scientific test” are meant to accomplish. Those who believe will not believe more, nor will this change the mind of those who don’t. It might make some believers more smug in their beliefs, but it won’t do anything to confirm those beliefs.

Does the pope-a-dope really think such nonsense will change anyone’s mind?

 
 
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Celsus - 29 June 2009 06:58 PM

I can never figure out what these sorts of “scientific test” are meant to accomplish. Those who believe will not believe more, nor will this change the mind of those who don’t. It might make some believers more smug in their beliefs, but it won’t do anything to confirm those beliefs.

Does the pope-a-dope really think such nonsense will change anyone’s mind?

I always liked the underlying argument that it indicates science is right… until it isn’t!

This works a bit better with the fundies though.  There’s this great video on the creationist museum site that talks about how “wrong” science is.  Their argument?  “Once scientists believed that “bad humours” caused disease, and today we know that it is germs and viruses and bacteria.”

Uh—guys?  The “bad humours” hypothesis was borne out of theological ignorance, and if science is “wrong”—why are you using SCIENCE to prove that?

 
 
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GAD - 29 June 2009 05:51 PM

Hum, it says Paul was beheaded as well, do we know if the body in the tomb was beheaded? Seems like that would be a major point as well.

The article indicates they have only “tiny fragments of bone.”