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18 January 2009 15:40
 

In England, a muslim man tore out pages of 15th, 16th, and 17th century works with a scalpel.  These books all had to do with European voyages to the Middle East.  Pages from these works have been lost to the world forever.

Muslims will destroy our history, our art, and our culture. 

This is why they SHOULD GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW!

 
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18 January 2009 16:05
 
Airy Spirit - 18 January 2009 08:40 PM

In England, a muslim man tore out pages of 15th, 16th, and 17th century works with a scalpel.  These books all had to do with European voyages to the Middle East.  Pages from these works have been lost to the world forever.

Muslims will destroy our history, our art, and our culture. 

This is why they SHOULD GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW!

What about Christians? They destroyed more history and knowledge then any other people I know of. Hell, they brought about the dark ages. Only seems fair that they should go to…....

 
 
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18 January 2009 16:11
 

Christians did a lot of damage, but that is in the past. I’m talking about NOW!!!!

 
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18 January 2009 16:25
 
Airy Spirit - 18 January 2009 09:11 PM

Christians did a lot of damage, but that is in the past. I’m talking about NOW!!!!

Well, destroying those documents is now in the past, so its all where you draw the line at. In any case, sure, throw them out!

 
 
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18 January 2009 17:11
 

He’s just been sentenced by a court.  Apparently some people are allowed to study ancient documents at the British Library.  He was Harvard educated and had good credentials.

 
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18 January 2009 17:12
 
GAD - 18 January 2009 09:25 PM
Airy Spirit - 18 January 2009 09:11 PM

Christians did a lot of damage, but that is in the past. I’m talking about NOW!!!!

Well, destroying those documents is now in the past, so its all where you draw the line at. In any case, sure, throw them out!

There will be more destroyed in the future.

 
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18 January 2009 17:13
 
Jefe - 18 January 2009 09:52 PM
Airy Spirit - 18 January 2009 08:40 PM

In England, a muslim man tore out pages of 15th, 16th, and 17th century works with a scalpel.  These books all had to do with European voyages to the Middle East.  Pages from these works have been lost to the world forever.

Muslims will destroy our history, our art, and our culture. 

This is why they SHOULD GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW!

How were irreplaceable documents available to the public?

Apparently members of the public are allowed to study old books and documents at the British Library if they have been vetted.

 
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18 January 2009 17:16
 
teuchter - 18 January 2009 10:05 PM

If the pages are lost, that suggests that the “muslim man” got away.  So how do we know the culprit was a muslim?

Assuming it was, so what?

Most of us here would like to see Islam liquidated, as well as Christianity and Judaism.  But that is a far cry from liquidating Muslims, Christians or Jews.  I believe that latter goal has been tried, with some very unpleasant repercussions.

It reminds me of when Stalin was advised that the land reform was being impeded by the resistance of the wealthier peasants (and here, “wealthier” is a comparative, not absolute, term), and advised that the Kulak class should be liquidated.  He made the serious and fundamental error of liquidating the Kulaks, rather than the property relations which made the class possible.

We should be careful not to make a similar mistake with respect to Islam.

I don’t want muslims to be liquated.  Just thrown out of Europe.  Galliawatch has talked about the destruction of property, such as old statues by muslims.

I’ll put this as simply as I can.  Muslims believe that all property that is not connected to Islam is haram, and therefore can AND SHOULD be destroyed.  Such as statues, etc etc.

 
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18 January 2009 17:17
 
teuchter - 18 January 2009 10:05 PM

If the pages are lost, that suggests that the “muslim man” got away.  So how do we know the culprit was a muslim?

Assuming it was, so what?

Most of us here would like to see Islam liquidated, as well as Christianity and Judaism.  But that is a far cry from liquidating Muslims, Christians or Jews.  I believe that latter goal has been tried, with some very unpleasant repercussions.

It reminds me of when Stalin was advised that the land reform was being impeded by the resistance of the wealthier peasants (and here, “wealthier” is a comparative, not absolute, term), and advised that the Kulak class should be liquidated.  He made the serious and fundamental error of liquidating the Kulaks, rather than the property relations which made the class possible.

We should be careful not to make a similar mistake with respect to Islam.

So what if he’s a muslim?

Muslims want to destroy all that is not connected to Islam.

 
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18 January 2009 17:41
 

Ok, maybe you’re right.

 
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18 January 2009 21:10
 
Airy Spirit - 18 January 2009 08:40 PM

This is why they SHOULD GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW!


How about if criminal behavior is just dealt with according to the law?

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19 January 2009 19:48
 
teuchter - 18 January 2009 10:28 PM

That is unacceptable, racist and bound only to result in greater chaos and disorder.

Islam is a religion, not a race.

 
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teuchter - 20 January 2009 09:12 PM

However, due to the peculiarities of colonial history, in England, to say “Muslim” is to evoke a south asian, and particularly a Pakistani (or “Paki” as the Royal family evidently refers to them) just as to say Muslim in France evokes a North African, and often an Algerian.

I’m aware of that. Nevertheless, we should not allow an issue of rational thinking become one of race: refraining from criticising Islam in the name of race relations would be, in my opinion, a gross mistake. It so happens that religious creeds tend to be geographically determined, and so do racial features. Well, that’s tough, isn’t it?

 
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20 January 2009 16:45
 

Fair enough. But that’s a different argument. Which does not convince me either, by the way. I know of no Islam-related issue that involves a single Muslim. For example, would you say it is unfair to criticize Islam because of the fatwa issued against Salman Rushdie by just one Muslim, namely the Ayatollah Khomeini?
Nope. I guessed so.

 
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20 January 2009 17:21
 

Unfortunately, it is not that easy to judge free-floating, unattached ideas. They tend to reside within brains, and brains usually belong to someone. So your lawyer friend may be, for all I know, a great chap, but he is still a Muslim; that means he takes the Q’ran to be the word of Allah. If I were you, I would ask him whether he believes everything the Q’ran says: if the answer is no, then he is not, by definition, a Muslim (though he might think of himself as one); if the answer is yes, then in his eyes you are an unbeliever and deserve to die; if the answer is “well, you have to consider the historical context”, then he is an idiot. So, the only alternative that would make your friend respectable is for him to answer “no”, and hence to accept he is not a Muslim after all. Fair enough?

 
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20 January 2009 17:29
 

Fine.So he’s not a Muslim. So his case is irrelevant to the thread.

 
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