The Real Creation Story and Bird’s Nest Soup

 
 
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toombaru
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22 September 2012 11:11
 

In the beginning the brain created the self
It actually took about two years and there was no reason to rest.
The brain let its self fly into its own imaginary world and it began to create a nest
out of its own secretions.
And well….....you know the rest.

[ Edited: 22 September 2012 11:24 by toombaru]
 
 
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22 September 2012 14:48
 

No the brain did not create the self. The brain is not an entity. If anything if you are an materialist its the brain that is the self (among other things).
The self is not software running on a computer as implied by your poem. (just for the record, the brain is nothing like an computer and software)

 
 
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22 September 2012 15:07
 
ninjin - 22 September 2012 02:48 PM

No the brain did not create the self. The brain is not an entity. If anything if you are an materialist its the brain that is the self (among other things).
The self is not software running on a computer as implied by your poem. (just for the record, the brain is nothing like an computer and software)

Where does the self come from?

 
 
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22 September 2012 15:18
 

See 3rd sentence.

 
 
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22 September 2012 16:54
 
ninjin - 22 September 2012 03:18 PM

See 3rd sentence.

 

Ok…...but where do you think the self comes from?

 
 
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23 September 2012 10:50
 

Like I wrote. The self etc is the brain. The self does not come from the brain it is the brain. The brain is not an factory.
But the self is a boring subject.
If you are to discuss things conscioussness, conciouss, awareness and aware are questions that is much more interesting.
How can we be aware of all things in the present moment. What we see and feel might be old but the awareness of them is always in the now.
That is a fascinating subject.

 
 
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23 September 2012 11:34
 
ninjin - 23 September 2012 10:50 AM

Like I wrote. The self etc is the brain. The self does not come from the brain it is the brain. The brain is not an factory.
But the self is a boring subject.
If you are to discuss things conscioussness, conciouss, awareness and aware are questions that is much more interesting.
How can we be aware of all things in the present moment. What we see and feel might be old but the awareness of them is always in the now.
That is a fascinating subject.


There is no such thing as “now”.
And consciousness will never be able to understand consciousness.
For one very good reason.

 

 
 
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23 September 2012 11:51
 
toombaru - 23 September 2012 11:34 AM
ninjin - 23 September 2012 10:50 AM

Like I wrote. The self etc is the brain. The self does not come from the brain it is the brain. The brain is not an factory.
But the self is a boring subject.
If you are to discuss things conscioussness, conciouss, awareness and aware are questions that is much more interesting.
How can we be aware of all things in the present moment. What we see and feel might be old but the awareness of them is always in the now.
That is a fascinating subject.


There is no such thing as “now”.
And consciousness will never be able to understand consciousness.
For one very good reason.

Thats the most ludicrous thing you have posted yet. If there is no now. When does things happen? Or do you claim nothing happens? The now is the present, this moment. Nothing can happen anywhere else.

 
 
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23 September 2012 13:52
 
ninjin - 23 September 2012 11:51 AM
toombaru - 23 September 2012 11:34 AM
ninjin - 23 September 2012 10:50 AM

Like I wrote. The self etc is the brain. The self does not come from the brain it is the brain. The brain is not an factory.
But the self is a boring subject.
If you are to discuss things conscioussness, conciouss, awareness and aware are questions that is much more interesting.
How can we be aware of all things in the present moment. What we see and feel might be old but the awareness of them is always in the now.
That is a fascinating subject.


There is no such thing as “now”.
And consciousness will never be able to understand consciousness.
For one very good reason.

Thats the most ludicrous thing you have posted yet. If there is no now. When does things happen? Or do you claim nothing happens? The now is the present, this moment. Nothing can happen anywhere else.

 

How long does now last?

 

 

 
 
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23 September 2012 14:06
 

Your question is just a smoke screen answer my question instead. If there is no now when does things happen.

 
 
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23 September 2012 14:19
 
ninjin - 23 September 2012 02:06 PM

Your question is just a smoke screen answer my question instead. If there is no now when does things happen.

 

Can you describe one of these “separate things” that are happening?
There are no separate things to happen.

 

 
 
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23 September 2012 19:11
 
ninjin - 22 September 2012 02:48 PM

No the brain did not create the self. The brain is not an entity. If anything if you are an materialist its the brain that is the self (among other things).
The self is not software running on a computer as implied by your poem. (just for the record, the brain is nothing like an computer and software)

Neither of us can reject or disagree with ones idea,if it is his,then let him be,we our selves are either correct or mistaken.It maybe your opinion that is true,or it can be his,we ourselves can neither define the truth which lies the brain to think endlessly thus conforming and coming to and end without answer.

 
 
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23 September 2012 23:48
 

toombaru writes

Can you describe one of these “separate things” that are happening?
There are no separate things to happen.

You know preciesly to what I’m referring. Quit stalling. Your not Xenophanes.

anneyyours writes

Neither of us can reject or disagree with ones idea,if it is his,then let him be,we our selves are either correct or mistaken.It maybe your opinion that is true,or it can be his,we ourselves can neither define the truth which lies the brain to think endlessly thus conforming and coming to and end without answer.

Yes we can. He makes tons of claims. We can reject things that are unfounded. To say the brain creates things (such as the notion of a self, etc) is illogical. If its property of the structure of the brain. Concioussness, notion of self etc is most likely an emergent property due to how the brain is structured. Emergent properties are not created. But we do not know when conscioussness arise, the awarenesss kicks in in the developing brain. How much brain is required for it to have a minimum viable structure.
If one know how computers work, the notion of a self etc being programmed/created by the brain is absurd. He talks about the self being created after 2 years. The separation of self from the “outside” world seem to occurr around 2 years of age. But that is something else entierly, an individual separated from everything else due to the parts of the brain controlling the sense of bodily boundaries have fully developed (simplified).

 
 
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ninjin - 23 September 2012 11:48 PM

toombaru writes

Can you describe one of these “separate things” that are happening?
There are no separate things to happen.

You know preciesly to what I’m referring. Quit stalling. Your not Xenophanes.

anneyyours writes

Neither of us can reject or disagree with ones idea,if it is his,then let him be,we our selves are either correct or mistaken.It maybe your opinion that is true,or it can be his,we ourselves can neither define the truth which lies the brain to think endlessly thus conforming and coming to and end without answer.

Yes we can. He makes tons of claims. We can reject things that are unfounded. To say the brain creates things (such as the notion of a self, etc) is illogical. If its property of the structure of the brain. Concioussness, notion of self etc is most likely an emergent property due to how the brain is structured. Emergent properties are not created. But we do not know when conscioussness arise, the awarenesss kicks in in the developing brain. How much brain is required for it to have a minimum viable structure.
If one know how computers work, the notion of a self etc being programmed/created by the brain is absurd. He talks about the self being created after 2 years. The separation of self from the “outside” world seem to occurr around 2 years of age. But that is something else entierly, an individual separated from everything else due to the parts of the brain controlling the sense of bodily boundaries have fully developed (simplified).

 

Well OK then.

 
 
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08 October 2012 20:19
 
toombaru - 22 September 2012 03:07 PM
ninjin - 22 September 2012 02:48 PM

No the brain did not create the self. The brain is not an entity. If anything if you are an materialist its the brain that is the self (among other things).
The self is not software running on a computer as implied by your poem. (just for the record, the brain is nothing like an computer and software)

“Where does the self come from?

 

From being an experiential processor of the world.

Now, equals eternity, the tick of time shuts out eternity, shuts out the experience of eternity, in the here and now.

[ Edited: 11 October 2012 12:31 by boagie]