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Who Says Occam’s Razor is Sharp?

 
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06 December 2012 01:23
 

Simple theory:  God created everything.  Let there be light!  Let dry ground appear!  Let the land produce vegetation!
Complex theory: Cosmic evolution, geology, biological evolution.  The panda’s thumb (see Stephen Jay Gould).

 
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saralynn - 04 December 2012 12:36 PM

Mathematicians and scientists are always charmed by “elegant” theories.

However, if you think about there is no empirical reason to favor elegance, which is, after all, an aesthetic preference.

Right?

When something is simple there are less chances for errors.

It’s not just aesthetics. Imagine a simple car that when it fails, has a simple problem. The car isn’t really good looking. Now imagine a good looking complex mercedes benz with all kinds of complex electronics. When these complex electronics fail, it’s not a simple problem.  Even though a car may be aesthetically pleasing, it may not be simple to debug.  Similar problems exist with the Ruby programming language, which is very complex, but supposedly aesthetically pleasing.

 
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Hannah2 - 06 December 2012 12:23 AM

Simple theory:  God created everything.

Ahh but you missed the part where God has to be complex in order to have a complex enough mind to create everything.  Our minds our complex and we can do math in our heads. God had to do much more math in his head than we do, and he had to be an expert in quantum mechanics, so where did he get the complex brain from. God isn’t simple, he’s complex.  Creationists argue that God is simple, and this makes no sense.

 
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Larry Olson - 08 December 2012 07:58 PM

Creationists argue that God is simple, and this makes no sense.

What? That Creationists argue that God is simple, or that God is simple?

 
 
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Larry Olson - 08 December 2012 07:58 PM
Hannah2 - 06 December 2012 12:23 AM

Simple theory:  God created everything.

Ahh but you missed the part where God has to be complex in order to have a complex enough mind to create everything.  Our minds our complex and we can do math in our heads. God had to do much more math in his head than we do, and he had to be an expert in quantum mechanics, so where did he get the complex brain from. God isn’t simple, he’s complex.  Creationists argue that God is simple, and this makes no sense.

“God” is the answer to all the questions.  That makes it sound simple, if it were true.  He is no more complex than the whole universe, except that he perceives it.

I don’t think God would necessarily need to be micromanaging everything on a quantum mechanical level and doing calculations.  Just like a child doesn’t need to understand math or physics to play on a swing or a teeter totter.  Or like a singer can create a song without knowing musical theory.  With God, creation is his nature, like magic, not intellectual. 

(I’m just talking about how I thought of God when I believed in God.)

Occam’s Razor isn’t the answer to all the questions either.  It’s just a caution.

 
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Answerer - 09 December 2012 12:24 AM

That Creationists argue that God is simple, or that God is simple?

Both. For something like a God to know lots of things, it has to be a big mind that is complex like ours, but more complex than ours.

To say that God is simple is absurd. Saying it does not make it true. Christians say things, and they think they are true because they are saying them. That’s the difference between science and christianity.

 
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09 December 2012 03:42
 

William Ockham never suggested that simplicity itself had any special explanatory power. The whole point is not to complicate matters unnecessarily. There are all sorts of simple explanations that are worth nothing at all.

 
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