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What is a deistic atheist?

 
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17 December 2008 12:24
 
goodgraydrab - 17 December 2008 02:08 PM
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Question them if you want, make fun of them if you want, but you have no other option but to take them at their word when they say they are an atheist.  And when the polls are taken, they are counted as atheists.

Who are these people? Show me the poll.

Here is the poll,goodgraydrab.

Note how the author asks:

do we actually need separate sects within atheism for those who are, um, actual atheists and those who aren’t?

Yes, we obviously do, and that is why I started this thread.

 
 
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17 December 2008 12:33
 
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The point is to make a valid point:  That deistic atheists do exist.  And judging by the clear lack of oppostion to my ideas, I have established that it is a valid point.  Hardly anyone on this thread has even quoted my ideas and attempted to actually argue against them, they have desperately resorted to personal attacks for the most part, which just shows they have nothing to say in opposition to my ideas.

The point is, you have no point. Deistic atheists exist because they call themselves that. Everyone here has been pointing out the inanity of it. What are your ideas? Numerous and various classifications and subgroups of any -ism you can name also exist, so what? Haven’t you seen those discussions going on here ad nauseum? You want to add more? Have at it. We’ll evaluate its meaning and validity, just as we do any other religion or -ism. Be mindful however, that you might just invite more not so desperate personal attacks.

Just for the record, I was referring to deistic atheists as fuckwits. But a rose by any other name ...

 
 
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17 December 2008 12:37
 
teuchter - 17 December 2008 03:11 PM
goodgraydrab - 17 December 2008 02:08 PM

Who are these people? Show me the poll.

Keep in mind that IS cites Dennis as authority for who is a person of good character and who is not…

Actually, I never wrote that.  You are being dishonest and lying here.

teuchter - 17 December 2008 03:11 PM

...EVEN THOUGH DENNIS AGREES IS is “a lying, dishonest, manipulative fuckwit.”

I have never lied in this forum.  If I have, please point out where.

I also have never been dishonest.  There was one time where I cut & pasted a definition of spinal biffida without sourcing it, someone made a big deal over it out of desperation, so I went back and cited it.

And I have never been manipulative, though I can understand why some might feel that way possibly out of embarrassment because they inadvertently helped out in some of my projects in this forum.

 
 
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17 December 2008 12:39
 

This addresses your point and idea just fine. What you mean to say is that you can’t get anyone here to agree with you.

I can’t believe I have to ask this, but … do we actually need separate sects within atheism for those who are, um, actual atheists and those who aren’t?

 
 
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goodgraydrab - 17 December 2008 05:33 PM
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The point is to make a valid point:  That deistic atheists do exist.  And judging by the clear lack of oppostion to my ideas, I have established that it is a valid point.  Hardly anyone on this thread has even quoted my ideas and attempted to actually argue against them, they have desperately resorted to personal attacks for the most part, which just shows they have nothing to say in opposition to my ideas.

Deistic atheists exist because they call themselves that.

Thank you for finally acknowledging that they do in fact exist.

goodgraydrab - 17 December 2008 05:33 PM

You want to add more? Have at it. We’ll evaluate its meaning and validity, just as we do any other religion or -ism. Be mindful however, that you might just invite more not so desperate personal attacks.

They are obviously done out of frustration and desperation, and the personal attacks obviously have no effect on me. 

goodgraydrab - 17 December 2008 05:33 PM

Just for the record, I was referring to deistic atheists as fuckwits.

Like I said in my original post, criticize them, make fun of them if you want, even call them uncivil vulgar names like you just did there.  But when the polls are taken, they are counted as atheists.

 
 
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17 December 2008 12:49
 
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goodgraydrab - 17 December 2008 02:08 PM

Who are these people? Show me the poll.

Keep in mind that IS cites Dennis as authority for who is a person of good character and who is not…

Actually, I never wrote that.  You are being dishonest and lying here.

teuchter - 17 December 2008 03:11 PM

...EVEN THOUGH DENNIS AGREES IS is “a lying, dishonest, manipulative fuckwit.”

I have never lied in this forum.  If I have, please point out where.

I also have never been dishonest.  There was one time where I cut & pasted a definition of spinal biffida without sourcing it, someone made a big deal over it out of desperation, so I went back and cited it.

And I have never been manipulative, though I can understand why some might feel that way possibly out of embarrassment because they inadvertently helped out in some of my projects in this forum.

Your lying and being dishonest and manipulative right now.

I caught you changing quotes. I caught you making false statements about other posters participating in your projects and agreeing with your statements. and I caught you
cross posting quotes out of context between your threads to make it appear that people supported your views.

It’s back in the threads if you haven’t doctored it and if anyone cares enough to look, I don’t.

 
 
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goodgraydrab - 17 December 2008 05:39 PM

What you mean to say is that you can’t get anyone here to agree with you.

Again, not too worried about that.  Atheists have proven to be very dogmatic in here, and there is certainly something of a pack mentality among certain members of this forum.

What is more revealing is that no one has yet to make a valid point in disagreeing with me.

 
 
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17 December 2008 12:53
 
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But when the polls are taken, they are counted as atheists.


So are dense atheists. The best I can do to try to separate myself from them is try real hard not to be one. I’m also human. The poll for that is called the census.

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What is more revealing is that no one has yet to make a valid point in disagreeing with me.

Here’s my RSVP. You are dense!

 
 
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17 December 2008 13:32
 
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goodgraydrab - 17 December 2008 05:33 PM

Deistic atheists exist because they call themselves that.

Thank you for finally acknowledging that they do in fact exist.

Lest you twist my statement for the benefit of any of your so-called research, I’m making it perfectly clear now that I acknowledge that I saw a post in which you displayed an alleged poll citing numbers of respondents who identified themselves as deistic atheists. I in no way avow their true existence or recognize the legitimacy of their ideas if they actually do exist.

 
 
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GAD - 17 December 2008 05:49 PM
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I have never lied in this forum.  If I have, please point out where.

I also have never been dishonest.  There was one time where I cut & pasted a definition of spinal biffida without sourcing it, someone made a big deal over it out of desperation, so I went back and cited it.

And I have never been manipulative, though I can understand why some might feel that way possibly out of embarrassment because they inadvertently helped out in some of my projects in this forum.

GAD - 17 December 2008 05:49 PM

Your lying and being dishonest and manipulative right now.

No, I am not.  Everything I said in the quote above is the truth.

GAD - 17 December 2008 05:49 PM

I caught you changing quotes.

No, you did not.  I never changed what anyone wrote, as you just falsely implied.  I have interrupted sentences by writing: .... , which is an accepted writing practice. I’ll actually do it again with your last sentence here in this post.

GAD - 17 December 2008 05:49 PM

I caught you making false statements about other posters participating in your projects and agreeing with your statements.

No, you did not.  I never made any false claims about anything.  I did say other posters participated in examining statements in this thread, which is the truth.  Take a look for yourself to see the evidence.

GAD - 17 December 2008 05:49 PM

and I caught you cross posting quotes out of context between your threads to make it appear that people supported your views.

No, actually you never did.  I will openly acknowledge that the vast majority of the posters in here disagree with my ideas.  It really doesn’t bother me at all, in case you haven’t noticed.  The messages of support I have received from other Sam Harris.org members more than make up for it, especially considering that so many of the posts directed towards me contain little of substance; such as those from people like Beam or Salt Creek. 

Dennis has agreed with me at times to a certain extent, and I have quoted him in some of those instances.  I have also quoted him when he hasn’t agreed with me.

GAD - 17 December 2008 05:49 PM

It’s back in the threads if you haven’t doctored it…

Yes, it is.  Anyone who is curious can take a look at the evidence.

GAD - 17 December 2008 05:49 PM

... and if anyone cares enough to look, I don’t.

Possibly because the facts would not support your assertions?

 
 
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goodgraydrab - 17 December 2008 05:33 PM

Just for the record, I was referring to deistic atheists as fuckwits.

Like I said in my original post, criticize them, make fun of them if you want, even call them uncivil vulgar names like you just did there.  But when the polls are taken, they are counted as atheists.

As any rational person would realize, the fact that someone who believes in a personal god (6% of atheists in the most recent poll you cite) self-identifies as an atheist does not prove that 6% of atheists believe in a personal god; it proves that a number of the sample is wholly illiterate.

And your reliance on this figure of 20% of the people sampled being too stupid to even understand the question they were answering as proving that 20% of atheists believe in god only establishes that you are a moron.

I’ll admit that I don’t know the exact percentage of atheists who believe in a God or higher power, it is possibly less than 20%.  But nevertheless, a significant portion of atheist do have deistic beliefs, and for that reason they are deistic atheists.

 
 
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teuchter - 17 December 2008 06:43 PM

As any rational person would realize, the fact that someone who believes in a personal god (6% of atheists in the most recent poll you cite) self-identifies as an atheist does not prove that 6% of atheists believe in a personal god; it proves that a number of the sample is wholly illiterate.

It’s not so much the people who self-identify as atheists who believe in a personal god, but the researchers who don’t throw out these samples. Social research is funny. It’s about reporting what people say, not about whether the data mean anything.

 
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I’ll admit that I don’t know the exact percentage of atheists who believe in a God or higher power, it is possibly less than 20%.  But nevertheless, a significant portion of atheist do have deistic beliefs, and for that reason they are deistic atheists.

Which part is more important for a non-religious deist? To be an “atheist” or to believe in a God or a higher power? I would think the latter. Calling oneself a non-religious deist seems to make more sense. But some people are not only opposed to religion, they are opposed to making sense.

 
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