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1st Amendment Protected Free Speech or Intimidation, Harassment and Disturbing the Peace?

 
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26 August 2011 07:59
 

I live on a quiet street in an old and very well tended section of Los Angeles. For the past several weeks, the street I live on has become the site for some loud and very disruptive protests. The protesters have arrived a few times each week, usually around dinner time, or on the weekends a little after lunch.

These protesters are animal rights activists, and they are protesting across the street from the house of a neighbor of mine, whom I had never met before. I found out this weekend - from one of the internal security team for the company she works for, that she happens to work for a very large corporation that happens to own a subsidiary company that is involved in medical research. As most of us must know, but few of us perhaps think about very much, medical research often involves experimenting on live animals.

My understanding is that this woman, who works for this company that owns another company that does medical research, is not involved in this research or in the subsidiary company in any way. She just happens to be an employee of the parent company. She is not a decision maker, and her job in no way has any job responsibilities that relate to the medical research company. It seems that she just happened to be identified as an employee of the parent company, by internet researchers who work for the animal rights activists.

Now to understand my story, one must understand the tactics of the protesters. They come in numbers - perhaps 20 or more. They carry large signs showing gruesome pictures of animals that have been subjected to horrific torture in the name of saving human lives through research. They shout at the tops of their voices that “We Will Never Give Up, We Will Never go Away, And We Always Win” They shout other things as well, like Puppy Killer! and Kitty Killer! But the first phrase is the one that really sticks out in my mind.

It seems to me as an outside observer that they must hate this woman beyond reason, based on their tone and their demeanor. The shouting is done in an organized and well rehearsed cadence, with one person shouting out a phrase, and then all the rest repeating it in unison at the tops of their angry voices. I can hear their words clearly from inside my house which is a half a block away, with the windows closed. It goes on for what seems an eternity but is usually only about an hour or so. The police have been called by multiple residents each time, but so far no arrests have been made.

The fourth or fifth time they were there, I finally went across the street just as they were leaving for the evening. They had pretty much scattered, but I managed to attract the attention of about 6 of them by whistling at them loudly as I approached their backs, and they returned to find out what this crazy guy whistling at them wanted. I wanted to ask them to put themselves in the residents of the blocks shoes, but they would have none of that. They told me they have a right to be there. I told them I have a right to peace and quiet inside my home, and so do all the rest of the residents of the block. After a few minutes of them waving their signs in my face, asking me to consider their case, and me asking them to consider mine we “agreed to disagree”, with them walking away snickering and laughing, and me walking across the street to inquire of the two police officers observing the events of the evening, if there wasn’t something they could do. One of them followed a few of them to their cars and recorded the license plate numbers while the other called a higher ranking officer on the radio. A few minutes later, the third officer arrived and after he sympatheically listend to me ask him why this was being allowed to go one without any police action, he gave me a card with several phone numbers at the local station to try to call if they showed up again. They even gave me the cell number for one of their watch commanders.

Then something remarkable happened. First a taxi pulled up in front of the home of the woman. Then the woman and her husband and their little girl – perhaps three or four years old, came quickly out of their home, with some confusion, chagrin and fear. The woman loaded the child into their car and the husband jumped into the taxi, then ran back to his wife and kissed her goodby, then he ran back to the taxi again. Then the woman saw the police and her next door neighbor and me talking to the police, and she jumped out of the car and approached us to tell the officers that she wanted to register another complaint. The officer said “got it”. I quickly introduced myself and told her how sorry I was that people could behave in such a terrible way towards her, she thaked me and then in a flash she was gone. The last I saw of them as they both drove off, was the little girl sitting in her car seat in the back looking very confused and frightened.

That was nearly two weeks ago. The protesters have been back twice since then. I don’t know if they realize that the family is not living there anymore. They drove them into hiding. I hope they are fucking happy now. What an evil waste of time and energy. Do they really think that this kind of misuse of the right to assemble and of free speech is going to have any impact on the medical research company? (I’m sure they do. I hope they are mistaken) It’s not that I’m into killing puppies or kittens, it’s the princible behind their actions which I object to. Bullies should not be allowed to stand.
Do they really think it is ok to come into a quiet residential neighborhood and make enough noise to drown out a TV from a half a block away?

And most importantly, do they really think it’s ok to harass a randomly chosen employee of any company just for working for this company? The last I heard, this was the United states of America, and people are supposed to be free to work (if they can find a job, that is) wherever the choose, at whatever job they choose, without fear of harassment on the street in front of their home.

Your thoughts and comments are welcome. But if you are on the side of the protesters, I’m telling you right now, don’t mess with me wink

[ Edited: 26 August 2011 08:15 by Fool4Reason]
 
 
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26 August 2011 08:33
 

It seems like the protesters—if they’re going to expend that much time and energy—could find someone closer to the top of the company and agitate in front of their house.  I wonder what they think they’re accomplishing by concentrating on someone so out-of-the-loop?

 
 
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26 August 2011 15:33
 
Fool4Reason - 26 August 2011 05:59 AM

Your thoughts and comments are welcome. But if you are on the side of the protesters, I’m telling you right now, don’t mess with me wink

Fight fire with fire!  Use the Second Amendment to scare them off.  Just quietly and openly clean your shotgun in your front yard during a protest and have it “accidentally” go off.

Or, how about playing their game?  Follow the leader to his house and chuck a brick with a note through his window.

HIre some goons to “persuade” the protesters to take their protest elsewhere.

You get the idea. . .

 
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26 August 2011 16:46
 

Fanatical fundamentalists like this are potentially dangerous.

Hopefully your neighbors just took an impromptu vacation and haven’t been successfully driven off.

These guys sound worse than Scientologists, but I doubt that (Scientologists can keep this kind of shite up pretty much indefinitely). They strike me as having that same kind of psychotic group dynamic going on though. At first I was thinking I’d be chastising Skipshot for being an arse, but after scanning the OP I can certainly see where he’s coming from (and I’m pretty sure he’s just stressing his sympathy with hyperbole).

I get ideas when I hear about this kind of thing, but it’s not likely they’d take such an approach with me (or in these here parts). My house is in the country on 5 acres of land on a semi-private road, and the Sheriff’s Department is very ... uh ... home defense friendly (I certainly wouldn’t shoot anyone, but they wouldn’t know that, and alotta folks around here would maybe shoot someone like these people—for trespassing). I also have several friends who are firemen who would probably be more than happy to loan me some high powered hose attachment/enhancement type gear (hell, they might loan me a freakin’ backup brush truck or something). They’d be risking a lot to try this kind of thing here, and I’d probably just have my band come out for daily practices for a while, so there’s no way they could compete with the noise level ... besides other problems I could easily assure they’d have to deal with (I’d have to get with my neighbors, but they seem like the types who, if anything, would join us in the resistance). I hope never find out how my ideas would actually work.

I dunno. I can imagine this kind of “protest” going very badly for this brand of fanatics in this area. They jus’ don’ much cotton t’ that kinda büelshit ‘round hea. It would be great in this unusual case, but it’s also very closely related to how “red” and rural this region is (outside of Athens), so this would be one of very few cases in which it would be cool.

 
 
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27 August 2011 16:37
 

These “Animal rights” protesters are not influenced or driven by laws of logic or reasoning. They are called into incessant street demonstrations through simple minded liberal slogans. They have been programmed to repeat the mantras mindlessly until a collective power of opinion sweeps through the mob which they simply follow. 

After Palestinians strapped explosives to a donkey and sent the donkey to a bus stop to kill Israelis, Ingrid Newkirk, the president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) wrote to Yasser Arafat, in 2003, “Your excellency .... will you please add to your burdens my request that you appeal to all those who listen to you to leave the animals out of this conflict?

These animal rights cooks do no better when they write opeds in the news papers. Stephen R. Dujack wrote in the Los Angeles Oped column, comparing the slaughter of chickens to Holocaust as “Like the victims of Holocaust, animals are rounded up .....”

This is what they do. This is their strength. They are not susceptible to reductio ad absurdum arguments.

 
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27 August 2011 16:56
 
Celal - 27 August 2011 02:37 PM

These “Animal rights” protesters are not influenced or driven by laws of logic or reasoning.

(Andrew):  They’re driven by a concern for the welfare of animals who can’t advocate for themselves.

Celal - 27 August 2011 02:37 PM

They are called into incessant street demonstrations through simple minded liberal slogans.

(Andrew):  Ahh…Celal’s boogeyman.  Yawn.

Celal - 27 August 2011 02:37 PM

After Palestinians strapped explosives to a donkey and sent the donkey to a bus stop to kill Israelis, Ingrid Newkirk, the president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) wrote to Yasser Arafat, in 2003, “Your excellency .... will you please add to your burdens my request that you appeal to all those who listen to you to leave the animals out of this conflict?

(Andrew):  What’s the problem?  The lady was asking Arafat to do what he could to see that animals weren’t abused.  That’s what PETA’s about.

Celal - 27 August 2011 02:37 PM

These animal rights cooks…

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Andrew - 27 August 2011 02:56 PM
Celal - 27 August 2011 02:37 PM

These “Animal rights” protesters are not influenced or driven by laws of logic or reasoning.

(Andrew):  They’re driven by a concern for the welfare of animals who can’t advocate for themselves.

No. They are driven by liberal mob mentality that defy logic and reason.  If they are unable to value human life above that of a donkey, they are part of a crazed, mindless mob. 

If human life is equal and or less than that of any animal which seems to propel these lunatics into action;  Why then do the animal rights activist or so called animal lovers own pets?  Did the animals give consent? Do they have a union? Do you speak for them? Isnt owning a pet like owning a slave? Isnt eating a hamburger a murder?  Isnt eating your distant cousin like cannibalism?  Hey… while you are at it… why not stop all the animals from having sex with one another, after all they could not give consent?  Or at least stop the bestiality which some far left kook is likely to defend.

The problem with the liberal mob mentality is that human life not viewed as sacred.  Of course, they dont see it as a problem, rather the strength of their arguments.

 
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Celal - 27 August 2011 03:34 PM

No. They are driven by liberal mob mentality that defy logic and reason.

(Andrew):  No.  They’re driven by a concern for the welfare of animals who can’t advocate for themselves.

Celal - 27 August 2011 02:37 PM

Why then do the animal rights activist or so called animal lovers own pets?

(Andrew):  I don’t refer to them as pets, but I’ve shared my home and food with as many as ten dogs at a time over the last 35 years or so (and the occasional cat)—the reason I do it is because they would otherwise have been euthanized or starved to death in the wild.

Celal - 27 August 2011 02:37 PM

Or at least stop the bestiality which some far left kook is likely to defend.

(Andrew):  At least you spelled it right this time.
Btw

 
 
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Celal - 27 August 2011 02:37 PM

These “Animal rights” protesters are not influenced or driven by laws of logic or reasoning. They are called into incessant street demonstrations through simple minded liberal slogans.

Called?

Right wingers are the best simple-minded (and misspelled) slogan specialists, though, definitely not liberals (they’re fairly good at it, but they’re just not overwhelmingly simple-minded enough for the rally comically vapid shit to become very popular, unlike the radical right Wingnuts).

 

Celal - 27 August 2011 02:37 PM

They have been programmed to repeat the mantras mindlessly until a collective power of opinion sweeps through the mob which they simply follow.

Why do you seem to think these people are some kind liberal species of TEA Partiers?

 

Celal - 27 August 2011 02:37 PM

After Palestinians strapped explosives to a donkey and sent the donkey to a bus stop to kill Israelis, Ingrid Newkirk, the president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) wrote to Yasser Arafat, in 2003, “Your excellency .... will you please add to your burdens my request that you appeal to all those who listen to you to leave the animals out of this conflict?

These animal rights cooks do no better when they write opeds in the news papers. Stephen R. Dujack wrote in the Los Angeles Oped column, comparing the slaughter of chickens to Holocaust as “Like the victims of Holocaust, animals are rounded up .....”

This is what they do. This is their strength. They are not susceptible to reductio ad absurdum arguments.

One of the best series of quotes I think I’ve ever seen between cartoonish fanatics was about ten years back between PETA and the NRA (this is the only article I managed to find on it). The NRA was upset because Disney had stopped shooting the attacking hippos on the African Safari ride. Disney said modern audiences were unimpressed with the act and found it silly, but the NRA thought it was all anti-Murcan and shit. PETA jumped in and declared that hippos are friendly animals (some delusional PETA type actually said that), and that the ride should be modified so the park guests participate in rescuing it. Anyway, it’s pretty amusing to see this duel between a pair of the West’s leading delusionists.

 
 
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Andrew - 27 August 2011 03:50 PM

(Andrew):  I don’t refer to them as pets, but I’ve shared my home and food with as many as ten dogs at a time over the last 35 years or so (and the occasional cat)—the reason I do it is because they would otherwise have been euthanized or starved to death in the wild.

Let us stipulate that left owns dogs. I dont care what whether you call yours “pet” or not.  Answer without resorting to 6 year old evasive tactics.

Here is Ingrid with her pet.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingrid_Newkirk

1. If you embrace Darwin, why dont you believe in the survival of the fittest? Let the dog die in the wild if he must.
2. Why dont the animal right activists protest all dog owners for owning slaves, if you see no moral difference between humans and dogs.
3. If you embrace Darwin, are you eating your cousin when eating a hamburger, and committing cannibalism?

Liberal left long ago quit being the lunatic fringe, now they teach young minds with this crazy shit! You are on a side of lunacy, not reason.  All evidence point to liberalism gone berserk and they are out to cause havoc on humanity, even advocate killings of human in university colleges and call it liberal arts.

 
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Celal - 27 August 2011 04:51 PM

Let us stipulate that left owns dogs.

(Andrew):  What?

Celal - 27 August 2011 04:51 PM

If you embrace Darwin, why dont you believe in the survival of the fittest? Let the dog die in the wild if he must.

(Andrew):  You don’t understand Darwin, apparently.  That’s like saying that if I send money to support the poor, I can’t embrace Darwin (whatever that means).

Celal - 27 August 2011 04:51 PM

Why dont the animal right activists protest all dog owners for owning slaves…

(Andrew):  For the same reason that they don’t condemn parents of adopted children for being slave-owners, I suppose.

Celal - 27 August 2011 04:51 PM

If you embrace Darwin, are you eating your cousin when eating a hamburger, and committing cannibalism?

(Andrew):  You really don’t understand Darwinism, do you?

Celal - 27 August 2011 04:51 PM

Liberal left long ago quit being the lunatic fringe, now they teach young minds with this crazy shit! You are on a side of lunacy, not reason.  All evidence point to liberalism gone berserk and they are out to cause havoc on humanity, even advocate killings of human in university colleges and call it liberal arts.

(Andrew):  You’re cute when you’re frustrated and get all tongue-tied.

 
 
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Celal - 27 August 2011 04:51 PM

Answer without resorting to 6 year old evasive tactics.


You should consider first leading by example (rather than by straw men that should be obvious to anyone over the age of 12 or so).

 
 
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Andrew - 27 August 2011 05:18 PM
Celal - 27 August 2011 04:51 PM

Liberal left long ago quit being the lunatic fringe, now they teach young minds with this crazy shit! You are on a side of lunacy, not reason.  All evidence point to liberalism gone berserk and they are out to cause havoc on humanity, even advocate killings of human in university colleges and call it liberal arts.

(Andrew):  You’re cute when you’re frustrated and get all tongue-tied.

Most human beings dont think it is cute to advocate killing of infants with disabilities. Darling of the left,  Peter Singer does. He is a professor of bioethics at Princeton University. Look him up and choose your favorite link. By the way, he is a big animal rights activist.

You guys are a menace to human race.

 
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SkepticX - 27 August 2011 04:34 PM

. . . PETA jumped in and declared that hippos are friendly animals (some delusional PETA type actually said that), and that the ride should be modified. . . .

Yes, Byron, let’s carry morality lessons into the animal kingdom.

 
 
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Celal - 27 August 2011 11:36 PM

You guys are a menace to human race.


oh oh
Fool4Reason’s got his problems ... and we got ours.

 
 
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28 August 2011 06:29
 

Liberal mob mentality” does not hold a candle to conservative mob mentality in terms of its noise level or nonsense.  I would say Celal is probably one of our best examples of the latter mob.  Totally indoctrinated into the neoconservative clap trap and blind to the problems inherent in that view of the world. A lot like religious fundamentalists really.

If people want to protest against what they see as the unethical treament of animals they have a perfect right to do so. As long as it is done within the law and without infringing on the rights of others. l I think the protesters that are the subject of the OP are out of line.

 
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