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18 January 2009 15:40
 

In England, a muslim man tore out pages of 15th, 16th, and 17th century works with a scalpel.  These books all had to do with European voyages to the Middle East.  Pages from these works have been lost to the world forever.

Muslims will destroy our history, our art, and our culture. 

This is why they SHOULD GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW!

 
 
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18 January 2009 16:05
 
Airy Spirit - 18 January 2009 08:40 PM

In England, a muslim man tore out pages of 15th, 16th, and 17th century works with a scalpel.  These books all had to do with European voyages to the Middle East.  Pages from these works have been lost to the world forever.

Muslims will destroy our history, our art, and our culture. 

This is why they SHOULD GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW!

What about Christians? They destroyed more history and knowledge then any other people I know of. Hell, they brought about the dark ages. Only seems fair that they should go to…....

 
 
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GAD - 18 January 2009 09:05 PM

What about Christians?

For example, the Spaniards destroyed most of the history, including codexes, of the Mayans.  So, and I don’t really have an argument with this, Christians should get out of the Western Hemisphere.

 
 
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18 January 2009 16:11
 

Christians did a lot of damage, but that is in the past. I’m talking about NOW!!!!

 
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18 January 2009 16:22
 

Well, it turns out that there are a number of Muslims who are, save their religious views, perfectly rational and delightful people, just like with christians;  as annoying as Bruce can be with his invisible friend, I have no desire to push him off the continent because some wacko blew up an abortion clinic.

I think your final solution is a little overwrought, and you might want to rethink it.

 
 
 
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Airy Spirit - 18 January 2009 09:11 PM

Christians did a lot of damage, but that is in the past. I’m talking about NOW!!!!

Well, destroying those documents is now in the past, so its all where you draw the line at. In any case, sure, throw them out!

 
 
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18 January 2009 17:05
 

If the pages are lost, that suggests that the “muslim man” got away.  So how do we know the culprit was a muslim?

Assuming it was, so what?

Most of us here would like to see Islam liquidated, as well as Christianity and Judaism.  But that is a far cry from liquidating Muslims, Christians or Jews.  I believe that latter goal has been tried, with some very unpleasant repercussions.

It reminds me of when Stalin was advised that the land reform was being impeded by the resistance of the wealthier peasants (and here, “wealthier” is a comparative, not absolute, term), and advised that the Kulak class should be liquidated.  He made the serious and fundamental error of liquidating the Kulaks, rather than the property relations which made the class possible.

We should be careful not to make a similar mistake with respect to Islam.

 
 
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18 January 2009 17:11
 

He’s just been sentenced by a court.  Apparently some people are allowed to study ancient documents at the British Library.  He was Harvard educated and had good credentials.

 
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18 January 2009 17:12
 
GAD - 18 January 2009 09:25 PM
Airy Spirit - 18 January 2009 09:11 PM

Christians did a lot of damage, but that is in the past. I’m talking about NOW!!!!

Well, destroying those documents is now in the past, so its all where you draw the line at. In any case, sure, throw them out!

There will be more destroyed in the future.

 
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Airy Spirit - 18 January 2009 08:40 PM

In England, a muslim man tore out pages of 15th, 16th, and 17th century works with a scalpel.  These books all had to do with European voyages to the Middle East.  Pages from these works have been lost to the world forever.

Muslims will destroy our history, our art, and our culture. 

This is why they SHOULD GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW!

How were irreplaceable documents available to the public?

Apparently members of the public are allowed to study old books and documents at the British Library if they have been vetted.

 
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teuchter - 18 January 2009 10:05 PM

If the pages are lost, that suggests that the “muslim man” got away.  So how do we know the culprit was a muslim?

Assuming it was, so what?

Most of us here would like to see Islam liquidated, as well as Christianity and Judaism.  But that is a far cry from liquidating Muslims, Christians or Jews.  I believe that latter goal has been tried, with some very unpleasant repercussions.

It reminds me of when Stalin was advised that the land reform was being impeded by the resistance of the wealthier peasants (and here, “wealthier” is a comparative, not absolute, term), and advised that the Kulak class should be liquidated.  He made the serious and fundamental error of liquidating the Kulaks, rather than the property relations which made the class possible.

We should be careful not to make a similar mistake with respect to Islam.

I don’t want muslims to be liquated.  Just thrown out of Europe.  Galliawatch has talked about the destruction of property, such as old statues by muslims.

I’ll put this as simply as I can.  Muslims believe that all property that is not connected to Islam is haram, and therefore can AND SHOULD be destroyed.  Such as statues, etc etc.

 
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teuchter - 18 January 2009 10:05 PM

If the pages are lost, that suggests that the “muslim man” got away.  So how do we know the culprit was a muslim?

Assuming it was, so what?

Most of us here would like to see Islam liquidated, as well as Christianity and Judaism.  But that is a far cry from liquidating Muslims, Christians or Jews.  I believe that latter goal has been tried, with some very unpleasant repercussions.

It reminds me of when Stalin was advised that the land reform was being impeded by the resistance of the wealthier peasants (and here, “wealthier” is a comparative, not absolute, term), and advised that the Kulak class should be liquidated.  He made the serious and fundamental error of liquidating the Kulaks, rather than the property relations which made the class possible.

We should be careful not to make a similar mistake with respect to Islam.

So what if he’s a muslim?

Muslims want to destroy all that is not connected to Islam.

 
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18 January 2009 17:28
 
Airy Spirit - 18 January 2009 10:16 PM

I’ll put this as simply as I can.  Muslims believe that all property that is not connected to Islam is haram, and therefore can AND SHOULD be destroyed.  Such as statues, etc etc.

Let me put this as simply as I can. SOME Muslims believe that property heretical in their view, such as the giant Buddha statues in Afghanistan, should be destroyed.  SOME Muslims believe that authors of works heretical in their view, such as Salman Rushdie, should be destroyed.  These people are criminals.

Other Muslims, such as my law school classmate who fought against Mushareff in favor of constitutional democracy in Pakistan, and was imprisoned and tortured by Mushareff, do hold such criminal views, are very bright, decent and hard working people.

The daughter of another Muslim law school classmate is a delightful, bright and very sophisticated young woman.  She studies in England, and supports progressive causes including the efforts of my friend in Pakistan.  What you propose is that she be driven from England because some guy defaced a pricesless book.

So, to return to the theme of this exchange, I’ll put this as simply as I can.  That is unacceptable, racist and bound only to result in greater chaos and disorder.

 
 
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18 January 2009 17:41
 

Ok, maybe you’re right.

 
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18 January 2009 17:46
 
Airy Spirit - 18 January 2009 10:41 PM

Ok, maybe you’re right.

Wow!  Nobody ever says that on this forum.  Thank you.

 
 
 
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18 January 2009 21:10
 
Airy Spirit - 18 January 2009 08:40 PM

This is why they SHOULD GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW!


How about if criminal behavior is just dealt with according to the law?

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