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Islam and the Economy

 
 
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bigfan
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18 August 2012 11:42
 

I have recently been doing some research on the factors contributing positively or negatively to the economy of a nation. I have been severely socked by the amount of hate Islam is receiving from the world. ( By the way, I am non Muslim).

For instance, I read on one of the forums, a guy arguing that Islam is contributing destructively to the economy of nations having a Muslim Majority. I read his post and read his arguments and I would have to say, I completely disagree with the Idea that Religions and economies are in anyway correlated and here is my argument.

 
 
 
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bigfan
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18 August 2012 11:59
 

1- There are countries with Majority of Muslims that have very high GDP per Capita, example:
United Arab Emirate: 42,293
Qatar:  77,987
Kuwait:  47,935
Lebanon: 12,900
Malaysia: 13,672


2- There are non-Muslim countries having very low GDP per Capita, example:
Madagascar: 853
Uganda:1188
Guyana: 3104
Liberia: 506


Please let me know what do you think? Are Religions contributing negatively or positively to economies?

Source of data:
GDP per Capita per country

 
 
 
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mormovies
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21 August 2012 09:36
 

In my opinion, these are all hellholes for sub-human existence where religion is brutal and people are enslaved.  There is no bright side to these statistics.  Maybe Malaysia is the better?

 
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21 August 2012 22:34
 

I believe Economical success has no Color or Relegion… there are many circumstances playing into that… but Relegion is not one of them… however Muslims are receiving a lot of hate due to incidents like this:

Yesterday, I just watched a news report of the an 11 year old in Pakistan who was taken to Jail for blasphemy. Her family had to desert their house for fear of the their lives….

how can a nation be so blind? That girl is 11 years old? How can they be so unjust? The 4% Christians in Pakistan live in constant fear of facing such an accusation….


To the Muslims out-there, I would like to give you a message:

Please learn to be forgiving… God and his profit can protect themselves… they aren’t waiting for your protection…. so live your lives in peace with other religions and nations… Let non Muslims in Muslim countries feel protected and loved… this is what your Religion teaches you. Isn’t it?

 
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21 August 2012 22:40
 

Also have you heard about the incident of the Pakistani / Muslim father and mother who killed their daughter in United Kingdom because she was “apparently dating guys”...

 
 
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mormovies
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22 August 2012 06:45
 

I would say to everyone of every faith, drop faith!  Faith is the enemy.  Faith in ANYTHING is the enemy and the base, root cause of imposed suffering and slavery.

 
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20 September 2012 05:44
 

It seems to me that only countries practising shariah should be examined - as this is the real form of Islam. (Remember, the birth of Islam as we know it began from when it became a political system, not Mohammed’s birth/death or other date).

Are there any nations under shariah law that are world leaders? And are any of them practising shariah to the letter?

 
 
 
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20 September 2012 07:22
 

The goal of mainstream Islam is to spread sharia everywhere.  Just because the religion is not powerful enough to achieve this doesn’t mean they don’t wish it and aren’t working toward that goal.  It’s the moderate religionists who refuse to see it as a real threat.  Faith is the problem.  Faith in ANYTHING.  Once we give up reason for faith, there is no way to deal with each other except by force and violence.  We’re seeing that now even in the U.S. (not even ranked as the freest country as it once was).  On the most trivial levels, we are being forced into a specific behavior that is not based on reason or science.

 
 
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bigfan
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02 October 2012 21:57
 
mormovies - 20 September 2012 07:22 AM

Faith is the problem.  Faith in ANYTHING.  Once we give up reason for faith, there is no way to deal with each other except by force and violence.

Very true…

blind faith is the basic requirement in any religion, which makes brain washing an easy task for any religious leader. If this leader wishes war, then he can brain wash his followers for violence and crime in the name of GOD and even promise his followers heaven for their crimes, just like it has happened over history… countless wars in the name of GOD.

 
 
 
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03 October 2012 06:44
 

Relying on faith can enable a nation to commit violence in the name of a god, state, a dictator, the group, a race, etc.  Faith and also the idea that we are born with as slaves with a duty to sacrifice and serve.  That’s as bad as the concept of ‘original sin.’  True belief in these ideas are equally dangerous.

 
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08 October 2012 07:20
 
bigfan - 18 August 2012 11:42 AM

I have recently been doing some research on the factors contributing positively or negatively to the economy of a nation. I have been severely socked by the amount of hate Islam is receiving from the world. ( By the way, I am non Muslim).

For instance, I read on one of the forums, a guy arguing that Islam is contributing destructively to the economy of nations having a Muslim Majority. I read his post and read his arguments and I would have to say, I completely disagree with the Idea that Religions and economies are in anyway correlated and here is my argument.


Religion isn’t the problem. Its religious traditions that are the problem. Christian religious tradition (current-day) does not handicap economy much. But (current-day) Islamic tradition *does* handicap economy.


Islamic tradition teaches Muslims that this life does not matter. That they should instead care about following Allah’s orders so that they can ensure their seat in heaven. Islamic tradition teaches Muslims that Allah preordained everyone’s wealth, so no matter what you do, Allah already decided how much wealth you will have, so why should a Muslim work hard to earn his wealth? It teaches Muslims to ask Allah to solve their problems, which is a form of responsibility shifting (how can one solve his problems if he believes that only Allah can do that). It teaches that one of a Muslim’s virtues is withstanding the problems that Allah gave you (rather than to work at solving them).

 
 
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mormovies
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08 October 2012 07:32
 

Sadly, I find all religious traditions are negatively affecting the world economy to different degrees, especially in the U.S.  The Judeo-Christian tradition is basically collectivist and socialistic and promotes wealth re-distribution as a given value and has led to the bankruptcy of many western nations.  Anyone that disagrees is pretty much considered evil, satanic and a dangerous threat.  Not surprisingly, all religions preach the self-sacrifice and suppression of the individual to the group (totally in accordance with nazism and marxism).  The result is centralized control and oppression of the individual and free thinking.  Even worse, so-called secular humanists adopt the same supernatural values as a given, almost on faith.

 
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08 October 2012 08:07
 
mormovies - 08 October 2012 07:32 AM

Sadly, I find all religious traditions are negatively affecting the world economy to different degrees, especially in the U.S.  The Judeo-Christian tradition is basically collectivist and socialistic and promotes wealth re-distribution as a given value and has led to the bankruptcy of many western nations.  Anyone that disagrees is pretty much considered evil, satanic and a dangerous threat.  Not surprisingly, all religions preach the self-sacrifice and suppression of the individual to the group (totally in accordance with nazism and marxism).  The result is centralized control and oppression of the individual and free thinking.  Even worse, so-called secular humanists adopt the same supernatural values as a given, almost on faith.

Islam is also socialist and fascist.


All these religions are big on altruism, which is horrible. See Ayn Rand, _Atlas Shrugged_ and _The Virtue of Selfishness_.

 
 
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Ice Monkey
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08 October 2012 09:18
 

” See Ayn Rand”

No thanks.

 
 
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08 October 2012 09:48
 
Ice Monkey - 08 October 2012 09:18 AM

” See Ayn Rand”

No thanks.

What are your criticisms of the ideas that Rand wrote about?

 
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27 October 2012 17:45
 
Ice Monkey - 08 October 2012 09:18 AM

” See Ayn Rand”

No thanks.


I know that a lot of people hate Rand because of her idea of Rational Selfishness. Below is my re-explanation of her idea, and an explanation about why people misunderstood her idea, and that their hate hinges on that misunderstanding:


http://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/17047/

 
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