Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

 
 
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03 June 2012 06:36
 

“Modern industrial living, however, is not for me”

You’ve nailed the it!  It’s not for you!  Who are you to decide for others?  Whatever third world life style you dream of, it’s available and it’s yours just for the asking!  You don’t have to be miserable and guilt-ridden.  Go live in an underdeveloped hellhole and live to ripe old age of 32!  Go!  You can’t speak for mankind.  Jesus, Mao and Hitler tried to and they eventually failed.  Leave others to live their own lives based on their own values and judgement.

 
 
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03 June 2012 18:14
 

Consumerism is killing this planet…


Why do you care?  How long do you think you have to live?  It’s not your planet.  This planet can get hit by astroid tomorrow or star and cease to exist.  What can you personally do about it?  Should we make symbolic attempts to ‘save the planet’ and show that we care?’  Earth didn’t exist and then formed well before your existence and it will go on long after you are forgotten.  What is your point?  Why stress over it?  Consumerism is the human process of survival.  Other species positively and negatively impact their environment and other species as well.  Welcome to the real world.

 
 
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mormovies - 03 June 2012 06:14 PM

Consumerism is killing this planet…


Why do you care?  How long do you think you have to live?  It’s not your planet.  This planet can get hit by astroid tomorrow or star and cease to exist.  What can you personally do about it?  Should we make symbolic attempts to ‘save the planet’ and show that we care?’  Earth didn’t exist and then formed well before your existence and it will go on long after you are forgotten.  What is your point?  Why stress over it?  Consumerism is the human process of survival.  Other species positively and negatively impact their environment and other species as well.  Welcome to the real world.

People care because it is undeniable normal human behavior. Where did you get the irrational idea of your existence is the result of people purely being motivated by self interest? General fear and paranoia caused by perception of inferiority could explain imagination of human empathy as something irrelevant to society you live in. Perhaps you believe that without your locked door and gun close by is reason of surviving the darkness of night. The safety of social interaction with other humans possible only because of institutions that create and enforce rules of social control? That the end is nigh, so even the instinct to breathe makes little sense, as the probability of dying will always be present?

I find it hard to believe you are as ignorant as your comment can imply. I think it could be a comment expressing a person tired of seeing concerned “environmentalists” writing comments on their electronic consumer products, in their apartment filled with consumer junk, the result of the only lifestyle known as well as bothered to attempt. If so, I can understand comment.

if comment came from sincere thoughts, I will elaborate something that might bring light to the dangerous darkness you wander inn perceived solitude. Humans, as animals in general, are not ravaging irrational beasts kept in chains by some external controlling force. You surviving childhood up to present day are not because social institutions of social control, as the part enforcing laws of social control only act during or after incidents.

The only true prediction any human navigates by regarding social human interaction, is the assumption of empathy and concern being a shared guiding influence. As only knowing incentives of self interest with belief of this as single motivational human force, would blind possibility to see any social interaction as other than threat to the self.

So why are things they way they are, if not the making of our true essence, you might ask. If we indeed where different from who we reflect we are, why have we then created situation we find ourselves living under. Some are indeed reflections of human essence we in denial conjure imagined ideals serving as acceptable lies when we describe our actions and thoughts. But the important part, the ability to live up to constructed imagined ideals, was lost somewhere in human past. As at some time in human history we started to wander out in the unknown, leaving because of reasons long forgotten, heading in direction never known. Somewhere on this journey we got lost, and had no point of origin as well as no final end in sight to guide humanity in any direction.

Consumerism is the human process of survival is claim exposing how lost we really are, desperately clinging to any explanation to the endless circle we seem to have trapped ourselves in. Consumerism is society where items and ability to accumulate items are expressions of faith in meta values as other than figment of imagination. No, the motorcycle add nothing to your manhood. It is a lie, accept who you are. No, ability to eat until obesity threaten own life have nothing to do with survival instincts. Image is not everything, as it is created by faith and belief, comforting those who live in fear as replacement to reality of only existence life offer, the experienced one.

Other species positively and negatively impact their environment and other species as well, is claim that reveals how easily knowledge is replaced by fantasies that supposedly supports self created delusion of not being disconnected from the real world so easily welcoming others to. Other species does not negatively and positively impact their environment as if they where some foreign element externally introduced. Animals react according to, somewhat different from concept of impact, the environment they are finely tuned by evolution to function as a part of. I guess ecology and causality in system can seem otherworldly as it often is experienced only by the flickering of our divine prophecy box we worship and adore, better known as television. When we have imprisoned ourselves in our concrete prison with images and forms reminding us about the natural world we hide in fear from, the visions of reality given to us by our television can enforce deception of humanity being different rather than part of nature. Even our plastic flowers, paintings of nature, and other filth we keep close as the depths of human psyche needs as least these tragic objects emulating the nature we are a part of.


When lacking understanding of reasons to engage and embrace experience of existence, as if life was agony to be endured. While despair given by sensations in this perceived purposeless state of agony, all energy is focused on suppressing stimuli and sensations brought by the repulsive natural world. Where salvation will come in the form of death. Finally free from the limitations a consumer must endure.

 
 
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09 June 2012 19:40
 

This all stone age Jesus drivel.  To reject religion then accept mysticism and the exact same philosophy as Jesus, you might as well be a religionist.

 
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21 June 2012 22:08
 

The environmental catastrophe we are witnessing today is a consequence of the attempt by the west to westernize the entire world.


Today the entire world is collectively involved in destruction of environment but the biggest role in this process of destruction was played by Western Civilization.


Western Civilization suffered from total lack of foresight.


The west was the first to travel on the destructive path of Industrialization and consumerism…....It then forced western lifestyle on its colonies in Asia, Africa and America whose cultures it had already destroyed during the era of colonization.


The west did not have the foresight to know that a lifestyle based on loot, plunder and exploitation of natural resources would destroy the very things that created and sustained all life on earth for millions of years and ultimately lead to total destruction of biodiversity and ecosystems.


The aborigines of Australia would not have started the Industrial Revolution.


Red Indians / Native Americans would not have started the Industrial Revolution.


In India people made efforts for spiritual development for thousands of years…... developing methods and techniques for making the mind quiet, tranquil and peaceful…....The knowledge of subjective experience led to the fields of yoga, meditation and pranayam [breath control].......Material Development has destroyed the planet…....If any kind of development was needed it was Spiritual Development.


These societies were content with what they had.


The western mind was much more restless.


The West has set up International Courts to try some people for crimes against humanity…......It is time International Courts were set up to try the West for crimes against the planet…....for crimes against nature / environment…...for crimes against biodiversity and ecosystems.


The West should also be tried for Colonial Crimes…......Taliban and Al Qaeda will start looking like saints if we compare their crimes with the crimes of Western Civilization during colonization.

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Today the west is running from pillar to post trying to prevent some islamic and non-islamic countries from acquiring nuclear weapons….....As if this is possible….. sooner or later…..by hook or crook all countries that are trying to get nuclear weapons will ultimately get them.


Once again the west did not have the foresight to know that dangerous technology should not be created, harmful material should not be brought into existence.


If the west makes 10,000 nuclear weapons it is progress, growth, development…...If eastern countries try to make a few nuclear weapons it is wrong…....If an islamic country tries to make even one it is terrorism.


[By the way…... who needs nuclear weapons to destroy the planet when man has already produced thousands of tonnes of nuclear material and waste that is going to contaminate the planet with radiation for thousands of years]


Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth…....The biggest act of destruction on earth.


Development is Destruction….....Development is Destruction.


“Growth Rate” - “Economy Rate” - “GDP”
These are figures of “Ecocide”.
These are figures of “Crimes against Nature”.
These are figures of “Destruction of Ecosystems”.
These are figures of “Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality”.


Promoters of Growth Rate, Economy Rate & GDP are the biggest Killers, Murderers & Terrorists on earth.


“Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment”

[ Edited: 21 June 2012 22:14 by sushil_yadav]
 
 
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21 June 2012 22:57
 

Yes, you’ve proven conclusively that tribal, mystical, enslaved, savage people would not create the industrial revolution.  They also wouldn’t live past the age of 32.  Enjoy your fantasy of living subhuman, it’s obviously becoming more than a hobby for you.

 
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22 June 2012 07:11
 

This joker will never learn…......In one of my earlier posts he was asked some questions and also given some advice…....Here it is once again.


If there is nothing of value in the thread then why do you keep returning to it?????


Is anyone pointing a gun to your head and forcing you to read the thread / article??????


Why don’t you move onto some other intelligent thread?????


Better stick to your movie talk….....this field is not for you…....It is beyond your level, beyond your grasp, beyond your capacity to understand.

 
 
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23 June 2012 12:38
 

The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. – H.L. Mencken

 
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12 October 2012 02:12
 

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Story of Pseudo Environmentalism in Industrial Society.
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A Serial Killer with endless supply of ammunition goes on the rampage in the city…..The Police are informed…..They arrive on the scene…..They do not try to stop or capture the shooter…..They do not try to kill or incapacitate the shooter…..They allow him to continue shooting…...They give him full liberty to move around all over the city.


The Police focus on the victims of shooting…..They take them to Hospitals and try to save them with the help of best Technology / Health Care…..The Government sets up thousands of Organizations to do research on how the Whites can be saved, How the Blacks can be saved, How the Asians can be saved, How the Young can be saved, How the Elderly can be saved…..The Government gives Billions of Dollars of Grant to “Think Tanks” and NGO’s to find out how the victims can be saved…..People of the city engage in Billions of pages of Discussion, Debate and Argument to find a solution to the problem.


This is not the story of the Mass Shooter…..This is the story of Environmentalism in Industrial Society.


Environment is being destroyed by Industrial Activity….....Environmental Activists and Organizations are trying to save environment without stopping Industrial Activity.


One group is trying to save Forests…...The second group is trying to save Rivers…...The third group is trying to save Oceans…...The fourth group is trying to make the Air clean…...The fifth group is trying to save Tigers and Elephants…...The sixth group is trying to save Whales and Dolphins.


Industrial Technology has destroyed environment….....Industrial Society is trying to save environment by changing the Technology.


Bring this Technology, Bring that Technology….....Bring this Technology, Bring that Technology.


Height of Insanity and Abnormality…...This is like trying to save a victim of shooting not by stopping the shooting but by changing the gun.


Why don’t people realize the futility and absurdity of their efforts…...It is impossible to save animals, trees, air, water and land without stopping all Industrial Activity.


What is the point in saving a few Dogs, Cats, Whales, Tigers and Elephants when Industrial Society is killing billions of animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses and billions of Wild Animals in Forests by destroying Forests with Industrial Activities like Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Construction Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Networks and ever expanding Towns and Cities…....Industrial Society is also killing billions of fish in the oceans with Industrial Fishing and through discharge of billions of tonnes of Industrial Waste into oceans which has made them poisonous, acidic, warmer and created oxygen-deprived dead zones in the oceans.


It is impossible to save Air, water and Land without stopping all Industrial Activity because Industrial Activity is killing them with trillions of tonnes of Metal waste, Plastic waste, Gaseous waste, Chemical waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste…....Industrial Activity produces trillions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Waste and there are only three places on earth where all this waste can go….Air, water and Soil…..There is no fourth place on earth where this waste can go…... It is impossible for Rivers, Oceans, Atmosphere and Soil to be clean in Industrial Society.


This planet can only sustain a Hunter_Gatherer Society or an Agrarian Society…...Not an Industrial Society.


All Environmentalism is Pseudo-Environmentalism in Industrial Society…....It is impossible to save environment in an Industrial Society.

It is impossible to save environment in Industrial Society because Industrialization itself is the cause of environmental destruction…......In a non-industrial society environmentalism was not even needed…....In the absence of Industrial Activity environment got saved automatically because only limited destruction of environment was possible without Industrial Machines.

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Environment has been destroyed by Industrial Activity….....Trying to save environment without stopping Industrial Activity is like ..


Trying to save a victim of shooting by shooting him even more.


Trying to save a victim of stabbing by stabbing him even more.


Trying to save a victim of poisoning by giving him even more poison.


Height of Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality…....You cannot save environment by destroying more of it.


Industrial Society has been destroying Extra environment for 250 years….....It has been destroying environment for “thousands of consumer goods and services” in addition to food, clothing and shelter.


You cannot save a person after killing him…....You cannot save environment after it has been killed by Industrial Activity.


The entire Industrial Society deserves the Nobel Prize for Lunacy for pretending that environment is getting saved when the reality is that Industrial Society has been destroying extra environment after industrialization and has destroyed so much extra environment in 250 years that there is hardly any environment left to save.

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What is the Result of 50 years of Environmentalism/ Pseudo Environmentalism in Industrial Society???


Industrial Society has been killing millions of times more Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land than Pre-Industrial Society every day for several decades.


Industrial Society has been killing millions of acres of Forests with Industrial Activity every day for several decades.


Industrial Society has been killing Billions of Animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses every day for several decades.


Industrial Society has been killing millions of Wild Animals by destroying the Forests where they live with Industrial Activity every day for several decades.


Industrial Society has been killing Air, Water and Soil with billions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste every day for several decades…..Industrial Society has been killing Rivers, Oceans, Air/ Atmosphere and Soil/ Land with Billions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic waste, Gaseous waste, Chemical Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste every day for several decades.


Industrial Society has been killing Millions of Acres of Fertile Soil with Cement, Concrete and Asphalt every day for several decades.


All this Killing / Destruction was absent in Pre-Industrial Society without any Environmentalism.

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All Environmentalism in Industrial Society is Pseudo Environmentalism.


No environment is getting saved in Industrial Society…..Not an iota of environment is getting saved.


How can environment ever be saved in Industrial Society when Industrial Activity itself is the cause of environmental destruction….Environment can only be saved in a Non-Industrial Society.


Industrial Society has created hundreds of unnecessary / futile occupations to solve the problems created by Industrialization…..Environmental Activism is one of them…..If thousands of organizations and millions of activists are trying to save environment in Industrial Society it does not mean that environment is getting saved…..There have been three human societies on earth .....Hunter_Gatherer, Agrarian and Industrial…..In Hunter_Gatherer Society there was no Urban Population, entire population was engaged in searching for food…..In Agrarian Society less than 2% of population was Urban, Most of the population was engaged in producing food…..In Industrial Society 50% of world population is producing food for entire population , the remaining 50% population is Urban which has created hundreds of unnecessary occupations to keep itself occupied….. People would go crazy without work…. Environmentalism / Environmental Activism is one such profession [occupation]......[Other unnecessary and destructive professions in Industrial Society include Manufacturing and Marketing of thousands of consumer goods and services, Jobs in Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex and several other jobs]....No Environmentalism was needed in Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian Societies because in the absence of Industrial Activity only limited destruction of environment was possible, so environment got saved automatically.


If billions of pages of environmental discussion is taking place in Industrial Society it does not mean that environment is getting saved…...Endless Discussion, Debate and Argument is a Disease and Insanity of Industrial Society that invented the Printing Press, Radio, Television and Internet…..Animal Species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment through discussion…..They didn’t even have a language for discussion…..Billions of pages of Discussion, Debate and Argument is another harmful waste of Industrial Society just like Billions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.


All Environmentalism in Industrial Society is Pseudo Environmentalism.


No environment is getting saved in Industrial Society…..Not an iota of environment is getting saved.

 

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12 October 2012 02:16
 

The one and only cause of environmental destruction is Industrialization.


Overpopulation and Overconsumerism are consequences / by-products of Industrialization.


Without Industrialization there would be no overpopulation and no overconsumerism.


Industrialization, Overpopulation and Overconsumerism happen together…....Industrialization, Overpopulation and Overconsumerism happen at the same time.


It is Industrialization that has led to a population of 7 billion…..Not overbreeding.


The entire world was overbreeding before Industrialization…..The entire world is underbreeding after Industrialization.


There used to be 5 - 15 children per family all over the world before Industrialization and yet world population reached only 1 billion till 1800 AD…...After Industrialization the family size reduced drastically, most families are now having 1 - 4 children and yet world population jumped from 1 billion to 7 billion in just about 200 years.


If Industrialization had not happened world population would be less than 2 billion today.


India and China have large populations today because they started with larger populations thousands of years ago since ancient civilizations thrived in these regions…..What was the population of Europe and America 2000 years ago????.....Was it comparable with the population of India and China???? .....And once again, In the absence of Industrialization India and China would not be having large populations today.


If Industrialization had not happened, High death rate would have kept population of the world under control….Diseases caused by virus and bacteria would have kept population under control…..Feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control….Shortage of food and water would have kept population under control…..Harsh Climatic Conditions would have kept population under control - People would not have been able to live in regions that are too hot or too cold.


If Industrialization had not happened this planet would have been in very good condition today…..There would be no overpopulation, no overconsumerism and only limited urbanization.


A Non-Industrial Society would have destroyed some ecosystems on the land [Forests] but Marine Ecology [Oceans] would have been almost 100% safe today…...Forest Cover would be much greater than what it is now….Millions of species on the land and in the sea would not have been decimated and would be thriving with very healthy populations…...This planet would be free of Billions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste…..The Oceans wouldn’t have become Acidic, Warmer and Oxygen Deprived because of Industrial Waste.


It is consumerism that destroys environment, Not population.


A Hunter_Gatherer Society of 7 billion would have destroyed very little environment…... because it would have destroyed environment only for food…...not for thousands of consumer goods and services.


An Agrarian Society of 7 billion would have destroyed very little environment [compared to an Industrial Society of 7 billion]...... because it would have destroyed environment only for food, clothing and shelter…....not for thousands of consumer goods and services.


[By the way, A Hunter_Gatherer Society would have never reached a population of 7 billion…...An Agrarian Society would have never reached a population of 7 billion]


Environment has been destroyed by Industrialization/ Consumerism…….Not by Population/ Overpopulation.


Total World Population has not increased ……It has decreased……In fact total world population has been decimated.


When we talk about population we should take into account population of all animal species on earth, not just human population.


Industrial Society has decimated millions of Animal Species……Increase in human population has coincided with decrease/ decimation of millions of animal species…. The total burden of population on this planet has not increased…..It has decreased.


Industrial Society has decimated millions of other species…...There was a time when the combined population of other animal species was much greater than present human population…..and we don’t even need to include smaller animals in this count…..The combined population of big animals alone whose size and weight was equivalent to or greater than man was much greater than current human population of 7 billion.


The amount of food this animal population was eating was much greater than the food consumed by humans today…....Yet millions of animal species did not destroy environment and lived sustainably on earth for millions of years…...because they destroyed environment only for food and not for thousands of consumer goods and services.


If animals had started a consumerist “Industrial Society” millions of years ago they would have destroyed all ecosystems millions of years ago.


The entire world has been trying to control human population for 50 years and these efforts should / will continue in future…..so where is the problem with population?????


It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to complain about overpopulation when it itself is the cause of overpopulation…...It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to make attempts to control population while promoting Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP exponentially.


This planet can only sustain a Non-Industrial Society.

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If Urban Society stops all its supplies to Villages…...Electricity, Oil, Machinery and Equipment, Villagers will survive forever.


If Villages stop all their supplies to Cities…...Food Grains and Vegetables, Urban Population will die within a month.


[ Villagers need Electricity, Oil, Machinery and Equipment to produce food for the Urban Population , They would not need these things to produce food for themselves]


Urban Population is engaged in Unnecessary Work, Meaningless Work, Futile Work and Destructive Work which has led to destruction of most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems on earth.


For millions of years “Searching For Food” / “Producing Food” were the primary occupations of almost the entire human population in Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian Society.


There is Zero chance of saving the little environment that is left without fixing the problem of “Urban Population”.

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Animal Species had Zero Percent Urban Population…....Hunter_Gatherer Society had Zero Percent Urban Population…....Agrarian Society had less than Two Percent Urban Population…....All these societies sustained for millions of years collectively.


The current Industrial Society which has 50% Urban Population worldwide has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years after Industrial Revolution…....Industrial Activity has been promoted by Urban Population…...Industrial Activity has been promoted by people who do not produce food.


This planet can sustain Animal Species…..It can sustain Hunter_Gatherer Human Society…...It can sustain Agrarian Human Society…...It cannot sustain Industrial Human Society.


This planet can only sustain food producing societies where almost the entire population is engaged in food production…...It cannot sustain an Industrial Society where 50% of world population is growing food for entire population and the remaining 50% living in cities is promoting Industrial Activity.


Animals saved environment for millions of years because they destroyed it only for food…..Hunter_Gatherer Society saved environment because it destroyed environment only for food…..Agrarian Society saved environment because it destroyed environment only for food, clothing and shelter.


Industrial Society has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems because it destroyed environment for “Thousands of consumer goods and services” in addition to food, clothing and shelter.


In the Animal Kingdom, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society almost the entire population was engaged in “Searching for Food” / “Growing Food”.


It is the Urban Population that is engaged in and promoting Industrial Activity ......Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Transportation Industry, Construction Industry, Recycling Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Millions of kilometers of Rail & Road network, Air Routes and Shipping Lanes…..They all destroy environment…...All Industrial Activity must be stopped.


Food, clothing and shelter…...These are the maximum number of things this planet can provide to humans…...The only way to save the remaining environment is by reorganizing the entire population so that food production remains the only primary activity just like it was for millions of years before Industrialization.

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12 October 2012 02:18
 

This planet cannot sustain an Industrial / Urban Society…...The problem is not Capitalism, The problem is Industrialization / Urbanization…....The solution is not Communism or Socialism, The solution is Non-Industrial / Non-Urban Society.


Capitalism, Communism or Socialism does not matter at all….....What matters is percentage of Urban Population…...A Socialist Industrial Society with 80% Urban Population will be as Harmful, Destructive and Evil as a Capitalist Industrial Society with 80% Urban Population…... A Communist Industrial Society with 80% Urban Population will be as Harmful, Destructive and Evil as a Capitalist Industrial Society with 80% Urban Population.


Urban Population is responsible for consumerism…....Urban Population does not produce Food…..It produces thousands of Consumer Goods and Services.


Consumerism is directly proportional to Percentage of Urban Population.


Saving environment in Industrial Society is an impossibility…...No Industrial Society can save environment…....Communist or Socialist Industrial Societies cannot be less destructive than Capitalist Industrial Societies.


There cannot be any sustainable Industrial Society….....The fault does not lie in Capitalism…..The fault lies in Industrialization…..All Industrial Societies are the same…..All Industrial Societies are equally harmful, destructive and evil.


Destruction of environment is guaranteed in Industrial Society…...The debate over Capitalism, Communism and Socialism in the context of Environmental Crisis is meaningless and absurd.


Industrialization , Urbanization and Consumerism go hand in hand…...They happen together.


Today 50% of world population is Urban, living in cities…... 50% of world population is producing food for entire population and the remaining 50% population living in Cities is primarily engaged in production and marketing of thousands of consumer goods and services….....Urban population is not producing food, it is producing consumer goods and services…....Even if the entire world is made Communist or Socialist it is not going to bring about any change in consumerism because the percentage of Urban Population will remain the same and it will continue producing and marketing thousands of consumer goods and services.


In America 90 - 95% of population is Urban…...That is why consumerism is so rampant in the US…...Even if America is made Communist or Socialist it is not going to reduce consumerism because the percentage of Urban Population would still remain the same.


In Europe 80 - 90% of population is Urban.


In China and India consumerism has risen exponentially with the increase in percentage of Urban Population.


Capitalism, Communism or Socialism does not matter…....What matters is Industrialization and Urbanization which results in Consumerism.


This planet cannot sustain Industrial Urban Population…....This planet cannot sustain a society that does not produce its own food.


This planet can sustain a Hunter_Gatherer Society or an Agrarian Society where almost the entire population is engaged in “searching for food” / producing food…...This planet cannot sustain an Industrial Society where 50% of population is producing food for entire population and the remaining 50% population is producing thousands of consumer goods and services.

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Industrial Society has existed for barely 250 years which comes to almost Zero Percent of Total Human Existence on earth….Humans have spent more than 99.99% of their time on earth in Non-Industrial Societies [Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian].....Industrial Society is an Anomaly….Only Non-Industrial Societies are sustainable.


A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion…....World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization…....In the absence of industrialization world population would have been less than 2 billion today.


If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.


At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.


We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list…...which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated or minimized.


We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse…....The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately….....Industrial Activity must be primarily limited to food, clothing and shelter…....and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.


Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

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When there was still time to save environment a whole century was wasted in the futile debate over Capitalism, Socialism and Communism.


Trying to save environment after 250 years of relentless Industrial Activity is like trying to revive a dead man…..There is hardly any environment left to save.


Industrial Activity destroys environment…..Where there is Industrial Activity there is environmental destruction…..Capitalism, Communism or Socialism doesn’t matter at all.


Monsanto is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.


Nuclear Power Plants are not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.


Mining Industry is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.


Logging Industry is not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism.


Construction Industry is not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism.


Transportation Industry is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.


Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Tar Sands and Hydraulic Fracking are not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism.

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A person is being shot 100 times…...Some people are supposed to save the victim…..They do nothing till 99 bullets have hit the victim…..When the last bullet is about to be fired they rush to save the victim, who is already dead by then.


Industrial Activity has been destroying Biodiversity and Ecosystems for 250 years…..Industrial Society should not have been started in the first place…..Once it came into existence its harmful impact on environment should have alerted people and they should have tried to stop Industrial Activity in the early stages…..If people had tried to stop Industrial Activity 50 years or even 100 years after it began, environment could have been saved because most of the environmental destruction has taken place in the last 50 - 100 years when the rate of Industrialization and Consumerism rose exponentially…..Trying to save environment after 250 years of Industrial Activity is like trying to revive a dead man…..There is hardly any environment left to save.
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When a mass shooter kills 20 American kids the world is outraged.


When millions of baby seals are clubbed to death the world is not outraged.


When Industrial Society kills billions of animals in Slaughter Houses the world is not outraged.


When Industrial Society kills billions of wild animals by destroying forests with Industrial Activity the world is not outraged.


When Industrial Society kills Rivers, Lakes, Oceans, Atmosphere and Land with billions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste the world is not outraged.


When Industrial Society kills billions of acres of fertile soil that provides food to millions of species with Cement, Concrete and Asphalt the world is not outraged.


When Industrial Society kills ecosystems that are home to millions of species it is called Progress, Growth, Development.

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Who is not a killer in Industrial Society?????


Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer…..Serial Killer of nature…..Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.


Industrial Society has killed billions of farm animals in Slaughter Houses and billions of wild animals in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services…..If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of animals.


Industrial Society has killed billions of Trees in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services…..If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of Trees.


Industrial Activity has produced billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous Industrial Waste…..This waste has polluted and poisoned air, water and soil….If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita waste which is a measure of per capita killing of air, water and soil.


Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer…..Serial Killer of nature…..Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.


Mass shooters are not the only insane people in this society…..The entire Industrial Society is insane.


The entire Industrial Society is insane, abnormal and criminal.

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Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.


This planet can only sustain “Food Searching” or “Food Producing” Societies…..It cannot sustain an Industrial Society.


This planet can only sustain Hunter_Gatherer Society or Agrarian Society…..It cannot sustain an Industrial Society….It cannot sustain an Urban Society that produces thousands of consumer goods and services instead of food.


An Industrial Society will always be cruel to millions of other species and to itself.


A society that has destroyed all the natural resources of the planet will also destroy itself.


After destroying biodiversity and ecosystems which sustained human life for millions of years man will not even exist.


Welfare of humans and millions of other species is only possible in a non-industrial society.


Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth….The biggest act of killing, murder and terrorism on earth.

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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

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sushil_yadav - 04 March 2012 01:24 AM

Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods must stop immediately…....Human work must be limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter.

 

Fuck that.

 
 
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28 December 2012 08:57
 

It might be killing the planet, or it might also just be one more step in societal evolution.  But frankly, you’re way too emotionally attached to this issue for me to take you seriously.  I find this is often the case with environmentalists.  It just becomes another religion to them.  It’s like the “Organic” crowd.  Time and again studies have shown that Organic food does very little if anything to adversely affect your health.  See “The March of Unreason”:
The March of Unreason
And actually, it results in less food output which could lead to more starvation.


If it came out tomorrow that science had positively confirmed that global warming was actually good for us such folks would not be happy.  Some just need something to rail against.  If we got rid of all of industrial society, something else would pop up that would get them in a tizzy.  Don’t get emotionally attached to your opinions;  it’s a disservice to all of us.  Also, realize that you have very little control over your future.  That’s probably the fuel that stokes the fire for this idea.  If you want to be ‘safe’, never get in a car for the rest of your life.  You’re chances of dying would drop drastically, far more than eating organic or recycling your waste.

 
 
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LordranBound - 28 December 2012 08:57 AM

It might be killing the planet, or it might also just be one more step in societal evolution.  But frankly, you’re way too emotionally attached to this issue for me to take you seriously.  I find this is often the case with environmentalists.  It just becomes another religion to them.  It’s like the “Organic” crowd.  Time and again studies have shown that Organic food does very little if anything to adversely affect your health.  See “The March of Unreason”:
The March of Unreason
And actually, it results in less food output which could lead to more starvation.


If it came out tomorrow that science had positively confirmed that global warming was actually good for us such folks would not be happy.  Some just need something to rail against.  If we got rid of all of industrial society, something else would pop up that would get them in a tizzy.  Don’t get emotionally attached to your opinions;  it’s a disservice to all of us.  Also, realize that you have very little control over your future.  That’s probably the fuel that stokes the fire for this idea.  If you want to be ‘safe’, never get in a car for the rest of your life.  You’re chances of dying would drop drastically, far more than eating organic or recycling your waste.

Pretty much.  Though it would be a good idea if media and society focused on real causes instead of indoctrinating children the way they do.  On Earth Day, every light in my house is turned on in protest.  Children are taught that it’s the average citizen that is causing the problems.  I’ll conserve energy when the real culprits start.  When my government stops trading with China and actually turns a few of their own lights off, then we’ll be able to talk.  Until then, tree huggers are barking up ...