Sam’s Essay on Muslim dishonesty should have attacked Ellison’s specific deception

 
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01 May 2011 14:49
 

Ellison put out the common distortion of Quran 5:32 - 33 by leaving out the beginning of Q 5:32. That’s the distortion of Q 5:32 we’ve all heard that : “If any one slew a person ... it would be as if he slew the whole world…” to claim that Islam so peaceful and life loving. Even Useful idiot President Bush used it when he hosted a Ramadan dinner in 2005. But that part of Q 5:32 is a rip-off the Talmud.

The beginning of Q 5:32 is always left out by Muslims since it indicates that this admonishment is addressed only to the Jews. The Talmud is quoted in mockery. Qur’an 5:32-33 is really warning the Jews to behave or else (5:33) they can be tortured and killed. Check it out:  http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/005.qmt.html

Furthermore, the “There is no compulsion in religion” quote from the Qur’an, even if not abrogated by the “verse of the sword” (Q 9:5), just means that infidel Christians or Jews need not be killed if they reject Islam, but then they must pay protection money not be killed and live as humiliated subjects per Qur’an 9:29. 

A fuller explanation is given by Andrew G. Bostom at http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/keith_ellisons_taqiyya.html .

I hope Dr. Sam Harris is aware of this by now.

 
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14 August 2011 18:25
 
MuseChaser - 01 May 2011 06:49 PM

Ellison put out the common distortion of Quran 5:32 - 33 by leaving out the beginning of Q 5:32. That’s the distortion of Q 5:32 we’ve all heard that : “If any one slew a person ... it would be as if he slew the whole world…” to claim that Islam so peaceful and life loving. Even Useful idiot President Bush used it when he hosted a Ramadan dinner in 2005. But that part of Q 5:32 is a rip-off the Talmud.

The beginning of Q 5:32 is always left out by Muslims since it indicates that this admonishment is addressed only to the Jews. The Talmud is quoted in mockery. Qur’an 5:32-33 is really warning the Jews to behave or else (5:33) they can be tortured and killed. Check it out:  http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/005.qmt.html

Furthermore, the “There is no compulsion in religion” quote from the Qur’an, even if not abrogated by the “verse of the sword” (Q 9:5), just means that infidel Christians or Jews need not be killed if they reject Islam, but then they must pay protection money not be killed and live as humiliated subjects per Qur’an 9:29. 

A fuller explanation is given by Andrew G. Bostom at http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/keith_ellisons_taqiyya.html .

I hope Dr. Sam Harris is aware of this by now.

everything are based on common sense.

to asnwer your accusation that Quran ripped off from Talmud…would it be the case if it came from the same source?

like, if Dave Mustaine would write - “Mechanix”, from his first independent album - “KIlling is my business”...would James Hetfield sue him for ripping off “The Four Horsemen” (wow! how ironic! poetic justice!) ???

Yes, there is no compulsion in religion, paying jizyah is as lawful as paying tax….nothing is certain except death and taxes…think it out!

we never kill what we cannot kill…we only kill when the time comes…and it will be over soon!