Omniscience and Freewill

 
 
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toombaru
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10 July 2011 10:28
 

An Omniscient God could not have freewill.

 
 
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Vishnu
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11 July 2011 05:29
 

Define freewill please. What is this will supposed to be free from?

 
 
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11 July 2011 09:21
 
Vishnu - 11 July 2011 09:29 AM

Define freewill please. What is this will supposed to be free from?

 

Actually an omniscient God could not have a will or a plan.

 
 
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11 July 2011 10:08
 

I’m willing to grant whatever attributes to a god you want, as I likewise lack any belief in a god. I’m, just asking if you could from the outset set down a concrete definition of what it is you mean by freewill. Having participated in similar discussions before, I find that this is a must, otherwise goal posts quickly become nomadic, if you know what I mean.

 
 
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11 July 2011 10:51
 
Vishnu - 11 July 2011 02:08 PM

I’m willing to grant whatever attributes to a god you want, as I likewise lack any belief in a god. I’m, just asking if you could from the outset set down a concrete definition of what it is you mean by freewill. Having participated in similar discussions before, I find that this is a must, otherwise goal posts quickly become nomadic, if you know what I mean.

“Freewill” is the assumption of personal autonomy, the right of self-government and moral independence.
It is impossible to define without using the illogical syntax that supports it.
It is a fundamentally irrelevant term in that there is no such thing as “self”.
All actions within manifestation are re-actions.
There are no independent agents to possess “free will”.
And that would include imaginary gods.

 
 
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11 July 2011 11:38
 

Right, so in essence, if freewill truly existed, it would have to be free from causality itself, are we agreed?

 
 
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11 July 2011 14:40
 
Vishnu - 11 July 2011 03:38 PM

Right, so in essence, if freewill truly existed, it would have to be free from causality itself, are we agreed?

 

Words and definitions of words can lead the mind into can of worms.
Concepts arise from within the assumption of personal autonomy.
They are loaded with conclusions about the nature of reality.
The attempt to find reality by using words like trying to wash blood away by using blood.

 
 
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Vishnu
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11 July 2011 16:24
 

Oh, I see, well in that case, let me re-phrase my question:

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11 July 2011 19:01
 
Vishnu - 11 July 2011 08:24 PM

Oh, I see, well in that case, let me re-phrase my question:

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