Sam Harris speaks with Jonah Goldberg about the aftermath of the midterm elections. They discuss Trump’s 60 Minutes interview, Trump’s claims of election fraud, JD Vance’s autopsy of the Republican defeat, corruption and the pardon power, the prospects for impeachment, Stephen Miller, the 2028 field, the Democrats and the far left, trolling and the collapse of norms, the tech oligarchs, and other topics.

Jonah Goldberg is the co-founder and editor-in-chief of The Dispatch. A senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, Goldberg is also a Los Angeles Times columnist, CNN contributor, and three-time bestselling author. 

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