Sam speaks with author and psychotherapist Donald Robertson. They discuss the relationship between wisdom and virtue, ancient versions of psychotherapy, parallels between Stoicism and Buddhism, practical vs. analytical styles of philosophy, CBT’s origins in Stoicism, the difficulty of self-criticism, techniques for reframing upsetting experiences, the Stoic mindfulness practice of prosochē, the turbulent life of Marcus Aurelius, the paradoxical life of Socrates, Stoicism’s phonician roots, the psychological pitfalls of using social media, and other topics.

Donald Robertson is a cognitive-behavioral psychotherapist and author of eight books on philosophy and psychotherapy, including the bestselling How to Think Like a Roman Emperor, and his latest, How to Think Like Socrates, both from St. Martin's Press. He is one of the founders of the Modern Stoicism nonprofit and the founder and president of the Plato's Academy Centre, based in Athens. He was born in Scotland but now lives in Canada and Greece.