The Seeing of It

A Conversation with Kelly Boys

January 18, 2023

In The Seeing of It, Sam speaks with Kelly Boys, a mindfulness and yoga nidra trainer and author of the book The Blind Spot Effect. They discuss Deep Rest, Kelly’s series of guided meditations; the moment that “changed everything” for Kelly; her path to meditation and yoga nidra; the differences between yoga nidra and seated meditation practices; the difference between dualistic and non-dualistic forms of mindfulness; the health and cognitive benefits of non-sleep deep rest; Kelly’s experience teaching at San Quentin State Prison; the lack of a necessary connection between meditative insight and ethical behavior; and other topics.

Kelly Boys is a mindfulness trainer and coach that specializes in the NSDR (non-sleep deep rest) practice of yoga nidra. She is the author of the The Blind Spot Effect: How to Stop Missing What's Right in Front of You. For more information on Kelly, including her private coaching practice and retreat schedule, visit her website at