Sam Harris joined Dan Harris and Joseph Goldstein on Dan’s podcast, 10% Happier. They discussed different meanings of nonduality across Buddhist traditions, the shared aim of these traditions, various senses of non-clinging, paradoxes in certain nondual frameworks, the place of meditation in Dzogchen and Advaita, skandha nirvana vs. kalesa nirvana, awareness vs. emptiness, the fraught appeal of dualistic mindfulness, using frustration as inspiration for inquiry, the passive-voice practice, and other topics.

Dan Harris is the author of the #1 New York Times best-selling memoir 10% Happier, about a fidgety, skeptical news anchor who finds meditation. He’s also the host of the 10% Happier podcast where he interviews celebrities, entrepreneurs, authors, scientists, and meditation teachers about how to do life better. For 21 years, he worked at ABC News, where he anchored such shows as Nightline and the weekend editions of Good Morning America. You can learn more about Dan at danharris.com.

Joseph Goldstein has been leading meditation retreats worldwide since 1974. He is a co-founder of the Insight Meditation Society in Barre, Massachusetts, where he is one of the organization’s guiding teachers. He’s the author of Mindfulness: A Practical Guide to Awakening and other books.